Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thor Loses:
Rachel- Thor should have owned her given she open with a psychic assault and its been shown mjolnir can reflect that EXACT SAME ASSAUT 10 FOLD
Phoenix Scott
Phoenix Emma
Phoenix Namor
Tutinex Twice
Hulk-one embarrassment one draw
Captain Marvel
Lol...almost everyone you've named Herald+ and should be able to work any herald based off their showings.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...almost everyone you've named Herald+ and should be able to work any herald based off their showings.
what puts them in the herald plus catergory? what can any of those characers do that silver surfer cant? yet again your talking out of your ass. Thor has been used as a measuring stick, whatever new villian comes on the scene quickly dispatches him to show the world just how tough they are. He stuck in that mindset that he has to pull his punches when facing mortals. How can he lose to a character like Rachel or a newly resurrected Captain Marvel when he destroyed a being containing multiple PANTHEONS of Gods? This is the same guy who shattered a celestials armor and punched a hole thru galactus head and he gets beat down by a fifth of the phoenix force?
Rachel has access to part of the Phoenix force, that's how he's able to lose against her. The Phoenix five have access to part of the Phoenix force and was shown as being team wreckers...even with minor blasts. That's why Thor was defeated by them. Do you even know what the Phoenix force is? Tutinax is an eternal, the same thing Thanos is and his powers thrives off fear based energy. He wad literally amping during his fight against Thor and tampering with his emotions.
Hulk recently have been stated as the most powerful creature to walk the earth. Hell, in his grey Hulk form, he one shot koed Wonderman and treated Ironman like a twerp. Thor losing to Hulk isn't a low showing. That's like me bringing up Grundy or The General taking on the league as a low showing.
Lol...Captain Marvel was amped off of the Phoenix force when he defeated Thor. He was suppose to be a weapon to use against the force.
Everyone you've named is above Herald level or has been displaying above Herald level power. I dont see anything wrong with Thor losing to any of these peeps and that doesnt take him out of the High herald tier. By the way, any member of the P5 would kill Surfer.
Originally posted by carver9
In regards to Rachel, its based off personal opinion.IMO they are.
No, it's based off of feats. Her entire career, she's literally been the red-headed stepchild of the Grey family. She's potentially a high herald, but she is a long way off.
Hulk hasn't been above herald since WBH. And he isn't that anymore. The Phoenixes are, though.
Originally posted by -Pr-wbh can't compete with supes,DD,flash,wonder woman,black Adam,captain atom etc he was a herald at best
No, it's based off of feats. Her entire career, she's literally been the red-headed stepchild of the Grey family. She's potentially a high herald, but she is a long way off.Hulk hasn't been above herald since WBH. And he isn't that anymore. The Phoenixes are, though.
Originally posted by -Pr-
No, it's based off of feats. Her entire career, she's literally been the red-headed stepchild of the Grey family. She's potentially a high herald, but she is a long way off.Hulk hasn't been above herald since WBH. And he isn't that anymore. The Phoenixes are, though.
"above" herald, right?
Originally posted by -Pr-
No, it's based off of feats. Her entire career, she's literally been the red-headed stepchild of the Grey family. She's potentially a high herald, but she is a long way off.Hulk hasn't been above herald since WBH. And he isn't that anymore. The Phoenixes are, though.
Don't know why you don't think she is High Herald level. It was stated clearly on panel that her and Exodus was equals and she was matching him. If you don't think Exodus is high Herald, then, I don't know what else to tell ya.
Hulk is clearly above Herald levels. WWH was above Herald levels. Current Hulk s as well.
Originally posted by carver9
Rachel has access to part of the Phoenix force, that's how he's able to lose against her. The Phoenix five have access to part of the Phoenix force and was shown as being team wreckers...even with minor blasts. That's why Thor was defeated by them. Do you even know what the Phoenix force is? Tutinax is an eternal, the same thing Thanos is and his powers thrives off fear based energy. He wad literally amping during his fight against Thor and tampering with his emotions.Hulk recently have been stated as the most powerful creature to walk the earth. Hell, in his grey Hulk form, he one shot koed Wonderman and treated Ironman like a twerp. Thor losing to Hulk isn't a low showing. That's like me bringing up Grundy or The General taking on the league as a low showing.
Lol...Captain Marvel was amped off of the Phoenix force when he defeated Thor. He was suppose to be a weapon to use against the force.
Everyone you've named is above Herald level or has been displaying above Herald level power. I dont see anything wrong with Thor losing to any of these peeps and that doesnt take him out of the High herald tier. By the way, any member of the P5 would kill Surfer.
this whole post is wrong
Originally posted by curryman
"above" herald, right?
Yes, the Pheonix 5 were well above it.
Originally posted by carver9
Nothing I've stated in that post was wrong. You just haven't been keeping up with these characters.
You making shit up isn't "keeping up with characters".
Originally posted by carver9
Don't know why you don't think she is High Herald level. It was stated clearly on panel that her and Exodus was equals and she was matching him. If you don't think Exodus is high Herald, then, I don't know what else to tell ya.Hulk is clearly above Herald levels. WWH was above Herald levels. Current Hulk s as well.
lol no.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, the Pheonix 5 were well above it.You making shit up isn't "keeping up with characters".
lol no.
u know honestly dont think the P5 did anything thats beyond the realm of HH they just didnt job like most HH do and used the full extent of their powers imo if Norrin was written with the same mindset he could replicate those feats
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, the Pheonix 5 were well above it.You making shit up isn't "keeping up with characters".
lol no.
Like I've stated, different opinions on the character.
Yes, and if what Rage said is true about what Hulk is going to do in the Avengers comic, this puts Hulk even further in a bracket that I didn't even think about.