Categorizing era by force power

@ Q99
Agreed with prettty much all of your estimations, but I would say that "the highest" HIGH is Clone Wars era.

You have Sidious and Yoda combo, the strongest of their respective orders up to that point.
Than you have powerhouses like Dooku, Mace, Anakin (ZonE) who would smack most of previously living characters.
Oh, and Plagueis with his midi-chlorian manipualtion and beastly feats.
Maul and Savage are beasts. Ventress's good.
Some pretty strong Jedi are around like Shaaki Ti, Obi-Wan, Depa, BARRIS 😛

I'd also join KatoR Revan's War and Triumvirate, that would make it MEDIUM probably.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
BARRIS 😛

Originally posted by Q99
All very good points. Still, that only adds one.

Originally posted by Q99
It is a big accomplishment, but it was won mostly through the Republican's conventional forces, and the Empress Teta and her armies.

Jedi rarely clashed with Sith directly during the war, and those clashes were not the important points. The Jedi played some strategic role holding off sith sorcery, but that was about it. The key turning point was actually a Republic force-sensitive he had duped turning on him

It's not like the Exar Kun war where you had the Jedi scorch a planet with a wall of light- the Jedi in the Hyperspace War fought some Massassi, Sith Soldiers, and probably some minor lords, of which we don't know the details of. If there were any epic duels or great shows of the force, we don't know about it.

Originally posted by Q99
He set things in motion, but was personally very distant from them.

Originally posted by Q99
I agree- there was a half-dozen or so powerful Sith in the Brotherhood (including Bane), but no truly uber ones like Vitiate.

But there were still more of them than in some other eras.

Originally posted by Q99
Well, I'd say it's more complex than that. Post TOR, things went in decline for awhile... but then things got a lot better with Darth Ruin and the Fourth Great Schism that started the New Sith Wars. For awhile, their lords were said to be incredibly powerful. But, in turn, once Belia Darzu fell, no-one was able to unite them for centuries, and they did go downhill as you say until Bane.

The reason why Kaan was able to do as much as he did was because said greater lords had already worn down the Republic so much.

An ancient order of Force-practitioners devoted to the dark side and determined to destroy the Jedi, the Sith were a menace long thought extinct. Thousands of years ago, a rogue Jedi had come to the understanding that the true power of the Force lay not through contemplation and passivity. Only by tapping its dark side could its true potential be gained. The Jedi Council at the time balked at this new direction. The dark Jedi was outcast, but he eventually gained followers to his new order.

With the promise of new powers attainable by tapping into the hateful energies of the dark side, it was only a matter of time before the order self-destructed. Power-hungry Sith practitioners fought amongst themselves and dwindled their numbers. Weakened by infighting, the Sith were easily wiped out by the Jedi.

One Sith had the cunning to survive. Darth Bane restructured the cult, so that there could only be two -- no more, no less -- a master, and an apprentice. Bane adopted cunning, subterfuge, and stealth as the fundamental tenets of the Sith Order. Bane took an apprentice. When that apprentice succeeded him, that new Sith Lord would take an apprentice.

Thus, the Sith quietly continued for centuries, until the time of Darth Sidious...

It offers a glimpse of what I also believe.

Originally posted by Q99
Ok, but that has to do with Palpatine's brilliant plan to have their own army turned on them. I'm just talking about the total number of high-power force users here, which the CW era had in abundance, even if many of them did end up walking into a giant trap.

We get to experience PT through the stories of the most prominent members of the Jedi Order. This is why we find this era impressive.

Once again! Limited content on older times becomes an issue to ascertain the competency of Jedi Order in older eras.

Originally posted by Q99
Agreed. Heck, I would argue quite a few eras rate higher in competence than the CW era, just the CW era has a lot of force power.

The prominent Jedi of this era are; Yoda; Mace; Anakin; Obi-Wan. Among these, only Yoda and Mace are powerhouses in true sense.

The Sith of this era are already very thin in number. Sidious alone shouldn't tip the scales in favour of HIGH.

MEDIUM rank is decent for this era, IMO.

Originally posted by Q99
I'm just noting that a lot of them were noted to be specifically very force impressive in the absolute sense. Yoda, Mace, Palpatine, you could drop any of these three into the MEDIUM or LOW eras and they'd usually be the strongest, occasionally the second strongest. Only in the HIGH eras would they find multiple peers in terms of power.

Axel

I'd also join KatoR Revan's War and Triumvirate, that would make it MEDIUM probably.

Yea. If I revise it, I think I'll mention both ways of doing it.

SW Legend
Limited content is the issue in this case.

To an extent, but we know half the sith council of the time. That's not inconsiderable.

SWTOR is promoting the notion that Jedi played a significant role in the defeat of Sith forces in the Great Hyperspace War. This is why I am advocating caution for this particular era.

Don't get me wrong, even with what we've seen, they did.

But possibly the single biggest and most helpful thing a Jedi did was when Jedi Master Ooroo, who breathed in a poisoning gas, broke his tank and poisoned a bunch of elite units all at once, holding off the tide of Massassi warriors in the battle of Kirrek

Similarly, Odan-Urr's force vision is why a defense of Coruscant was ready, and the defense was lead by four masters.

However, in Kirrek, Odan-Urr tried using battle meditation but it was ineffective until Naga Sadow's control was disrupted and reinforcements arrived, and in Coruscant, the Jedi were simply holding off until Naga's illusions fell and they were able to properly target only the real Sith forces.

Naga Sadow's influence in turn ending not because of the Jedi's actions, but an apprentice turning on him.

Without the Jedi, they would've never lasted long enough for that to happen, but the Jedi were not able to turn the battles with the force. They appeared competent, reasonably skilled, but didn't show the same level of power that the Jedi of the Exar Kun war- who only got a bit more page time- did.

isn't this thread about an "era" and not just "events"?

Yea, yea, it's written as eras, but still, I like to separate it by geography. There's too many groups and people in stasis and people in hiding at almost any time.

I disagree with the botton statement. Their were plenty of strong Sith in different eras. Issue once again is limited information.

We know some of the eras pretty well.

Heck, often we know there's, like, two strong sith by design!

I don't buy the "abundance" part, bro.

We get to experience PT through the stories of the most prominent members of the Jedi Order. This is why we find this era impressive.

But we've also seen some of these strong people compared to people of different eras. And we've seen a fair amount of some other eras and still not seen near as many powerhouses.

If there were a couple Yoda/Mace/Dooku/etc. level people in KotoR, we'd know!

And a lot of the time, just because we see Jedi from their point of view, they still don't come off as power houses.

The prominent Jedi of this era are; Yoda; Mace; Anakin; Obi-Wan. Among these, only Yoda and Mace are powerhouses in true sense.

The Sith of this era are already very thin in number. Sidious alone shouldn't tip the scales in favour of HIGH.

Sidious and Dooku. And I disagree with leaving out Anakin and Obi-wan. Anakin was a beast at the end, and Obi-wan was able to do stuff like, not just hold off against Anakin, but also fight two strong warriors like Maul and Opress at the same time.

While not the uber-high level of Sidious and Yoda, Anakin and Obi-wan and such are still high tier by the standards I'm using on other eras.

Well, if you want to be selective then this debate isn't going to progress much further. Thanks for sharing some information though.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Well, if you want to be selective then this debate isn't going to progress much further. Thanks for sharing some information though.

Don't get me wrong, I'm liking the input and different ways of seeing things ^^ I'm explaining why I did what I did, but other suggestions = good thing.

Can you think of anything else I might've left out?

Originally posted by Q99
Sidious and Dooku. And I disagree with leaving out Anakin and Obi-wan. Anakin was a beast at the end, and Obi-wan was able to do stuff like, not just hold off against Anakin, but also fight two strong warriors like Maul and Opress at the same time.

Maul had confirmed that he didn't actually plan on killing Kenobi. We see how effortlessly Maul has ragdolled Obi Wan around with the force on numerous occasions and how quickly he took Obi Wan out after Obi Wan managed to cut off Savage's arm. So IMO, Maul is higher than Obi Wan, and should probably be placed up there, especially considering his impressive TK feats.

I'd also place the CW era as high. They have some of the best saber duelists. And while it was not as common for them to face a sith as other eras, they were prepared for them as Yoda mused during his fight with Sidious (ROTS novel).

Yea, the Clone War Jedi were basically set up to fight a Sith army.