^ So you agree it does make a difference in a Saber fight? Just not enough to change the final outcome in this scenario.
In that case you should watch out for some of the posters here. They'll scold you for even thinking that wielding a Second Lightsaber could make any kind of difference at all to... You know.. A "Lightsaber" fight.
You should accept that Kenobi obviously would have defeated both Maul Brothers with a Single Saber with no extra difficulty attached at all.
He obviously used Adi's Saber just to show off and Toy with the Brothers. What other possibility could there be for him abandoning his usual style in that scenario?
Originally posted by Visagejust because thats how it happened doesnt mean that its the only way it could have went down. in TPM Maul only gained the upper hand against obi-wan after obi cut his dual saber in half and was forced to fight with 1 blade. does that mean maul is deadlier with 1 blade instead of 2 because the writers depicted it that way in that 1 scene?
If Sidious and Kenobi could have won with a single Saber then they should have proven it by doing just that! But they didn't. The writers specifically had those defeats taking place with 2 Sabers..
Originally posted by Raptor22
just because thats how it happened doesnt mean that its the only way it could have went down. in TPM Maul only gained the upper hand against obi-wan after obi cut his dual saber in half and was forced to fight with 1 blade. does that mean maul is deadlier with 1 blade instead of 2 because the writers depicted it that way in that 1 scene?
Visage was just quoting me without the quote bit. It was me who wrote that so address me on the issue.
TPM Maul was forced to fight with a single blade after Kenobi chopped his Saber staff in 2 (due to his ferocity catching Maul by surprise according to the official site).
But the Staff was his chosen weapon, so he presumably fights better with it. He also has exceptional Jar Kai skills according to Plaguies and other sources. So he likely performs more effectively with 2 separate Sabers than with a single one. Like Ventress.
Just so you know I'm not giving 2 Sabers a significant advantage against a singular opponent, just against multiple opponents. Against a singular opponent it depends on the combatant, how he/she fights best.
Now tell me do you honestly think Kenobi would have performed just as well against Both brothers with 1 Saber? If so then why abandon his usual style of using 1 Saber when in for the fight off his life?
That would be a very unusual thing to do under the circumstances. So I'm afraid it's you who has to prove he did so for no reason but to show off and look cool.
Next do you think Kenobi is a significantly superior duelist to Count Dooku? Because his Saber performance against Maul and Opress outstrips Dooku's against Opress and Ventress by a mile. The only explanation I can see there is that 2 Sabers makes it easier taking on 2 Lightsaber wielding opponents.
But that's obviously just my idiocy talking.
Spoiler:
according to some idiots here.
I await your response.
there r too many factors to make any conrete rule either way. 2 blades is probably better when fighting against multiple enimies in most situations but not every situation for every character. if ur trying to stay alive or buy time 2 blades is probably better if ur trying to take 1 opponent out quick 1 might be better so u can deliver more powerful precise strikes. their styles and character r factors as well. for instance i doubt vader wolud do better with 2 blades against multiple opponents as opposed to him wielding just 1.
Originally posted by Raptor22
there r too many factors to make any conrete rule either way. 2 blades is probably better when fighting against multiple enimies in most situations but not every situation for every character. if ur trying to stay alive or buy time 2 blades is probably better if ur trying to take 1 opponent out quick 1 might be better so u can deliver more powerful precise strikes. their styles and character r factors as well. for instance i doubt vader wolud do better with 2 blades against multiple opponents as opposed to him wielding just 1.
Well you have a point there. I have constantly argued it will only help if the person is skilled at using 2 appropriately.
Dooku's style is one handed fencing, so I doubt he'd do much better with 2.
Sidious's strong point is his speed. Wielding 2 Sabers is only going to make his speed deadlier.
It clearly helped Kenobi A LOT when dealing with 2 Opponents. And if it helped Kenobi, I can't see why it wouldn't have helped Sidious. (They both actually used a similar style against the Brothers.)
And since that's what he chose to bring to the fight, he obviously thought himself that's the best way to deal with them.
But I mean end of the day it's fair and square. If they're facing 2 Sabers then they're perfectly entitled to use 2. But let's not pretend it was just for show. People could argue that with Sidious, but was Kenobi just showing off too? Of course not.
I'll comment that Miyamoto Musashi felt it was a good idea to have a second blade in a multi-person fight, but only used one in one-on-one duels.
So I would say, in general, it's normally a bit better to have more than one when facing multiple foes, but it is as mentioned wielder dependent. It doesn't suit some fighter's styles, it'll trip some up, and so on, but it is a potential edge to use.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Next do you think Kenobi is a significantly superior duelist to Count Dooku? Because his Saber performance against Maul and Opress outstrips Dooku's against Opress and Ventress by a mile. The only explanation I can see there is that 2 Sabers makes it easier taking on 2 Lightsaber wielding opponents.
I'll get to this in the new thread.
Originally posted by Raptor22
there r too many factors to make any conrete rule either way. 2 blades is probably better when fighting against multiple enimies in most situations but not every situation for every character. if ur trying to stay alive or buy time 2 blades is probably better if ur trying to take 1 opponent out quick 1 might be better so u can deliver more powerful precise strikes. their styles and character r factors as well. for instance i doubt vader wolud do better with 2 blades against multiple opponents as opposed to him wielding just 1.
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Originally posted by Q99
He'd be even harder pressed in the saber section, but not enough that he'd get cut or anything, and he'd still be able to split them up with the force sooner or later, then kill Opress, then Maul.Maul might be able to land in one more punch or kick than he did in the episode, but that's about it.
There wouldn't have to be a saber section. Sidious can overpower and take them out with the force alone. But if he does decide to use a saber, then he can take them out in under a minute. If he can slaughter three "celebrated swordsmasters" despite Windu being alongside them, he can kill these two within a minute. Remember, he's actually trying to kill both of them in this thread, so he wouldn't hold back against Maul, and since he has only a minute, he's going to be far more aggressive and won't be as playful.
Originally posted by -Pr-how was obi-wan targeting his knee dirty, and what other dirty tactics did he use that u feel gave him an edge?
Obi-Wan did well against Savage and Maul because he had experience fighting both of them, and he fought dirty. Dooku, bar force power, doesn't fight dirty. For example, look at how Kenobi focused on Savage's knee.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well you have a point there. I have constantly argued it will only help if the person is skilled at using 2 appropriately.Dooku's style is one handed fencing, so I doubt he'd do much better with 2.
Sidious's strong point is his speed. Wielding 2 Sabers is only going to make his speed deadlier.
It clearly helped Kenobi A LOT when dealing with 2 Opponents. And if it helped Kenobi, I can't see why it wouldn't have helped Sidious. (They both actually used a similar style against the Brothers.)
And since that's what he chose to bring to the fight, he obviously thought himself that's the best way to deal with them.
But I mean end of the day it's fair and square. If they're facing 2 Sabers then they're perfectly entitled to use 2. But let's not pretend it was just for show. People could argue that with Sidious, but was Kenobi just showing off too? Of course not.
and how does Mace fit into all this with his attributes? You listed Dooku.. Sids.. Kenobi... and now Mace? 😛
Originally posted by Raptor22
how was obi-wan targeting his knee dirty, and what other dirty tactics did he use that u feel gave him an edge?
I meant dirty as in, he fought differently to how most Jedi fight. Nobody would expect Obi-Wan to do something like that, and that was why it worked.
Had Obi-Wan stuck strictly to just saber dueling, I doubt he would have made the same opening that allowed him to cripple Savage.