Originally posted by KingD19
Logan has also shown to follow his emotions and gut far too often instead of logic, and often makes questionable and sometimes downright stupid choices and arguments.Logan: Grrrr, Scott I can't believe you gave those kids the choice to fight for their home!!!
Cyclops: It's their choice. I also gave them the option to leave.
Logan: -starts his own school just to spite Cyclops, then threatens someone on the doorstep using all of them kids as part of that threat-
Logan:Intent on killing Hope or helping the Avengers win just because he doesn't like Scott. He knows Scott is right, still doesn't care.
Logan: Intent on killing Scarlet Witch for M Day, despite it not being even 50% her fault.
Logan: Blaming Scott for all the bad shit that happened when the P5 incident happened, despite knowing that Tony Stark caused the incident in the first place, and that none of them were strong enough to control it. Yet he never blamed Jean for Dark Phoenix.
Logan: Blames Scott for killing Xavier, even though he knows Scott lost control.
Logan: Kicking Psylocke out of the school for being "too violent", when he himself has threatened students on multiple occasions.
The list goes on of how bad a leader Logan actually is. In all honesty if I was in the X-Men or Avengers, I'd rather not even be on a team with Logan much less him him as my leader, field or otherwise.
the hate in this one is strong,
Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic
Cyclops easily. Why would anyone choose a guy only 5'3 to be a leader?
cyclops chose logan to lead x-force. going by your logic, cyclops is a failure.
a leader should be able to inspire and stir passion in his team. cyclops is about as inspiring as the smell of a septic tank.... wolverine has more life experience, military experience, team x experience, combat experience, AND is the more inspiring character by a margin that is so enormous, it cannot even be expressed. logan is more honest than cyclops and his instincts are second to none. I would contend that this clearly makes logan the better leader. you're such a failure....
Originally posted by wildernessscyclops chose logan to lead x-force. going by your logic, cyclops is a failure.
a leader should be able to inspire and stir passion in his team. cyclops is about as inspiring as the smell of a septic tank.... wolverine has more life experience, military experience, team x experience, combat experience, AND is the more inspiring character by a margin that is so enormous, it cannot even be expressed. logan is more honest than cyclops and his instincts are second to none. I would contend that this clearly makes logan the better leader. you're such a failure....
BTW x force was a failure
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Cyclops has inspired a larger chunk of the mutant population then wolverine ever has,BTW x force was a failure
was this before or after he killed xavier and logan decided to carry xavier's torch in running the school? btw, this isn't a popularity contest....
the character has to inspire his team and command respect. I would contend that logan (along with all his other achievements) does this better tha cyclops.
x-force was a failure? who knew? I suppose cyclops is a failure as a leader for assigning logan as leader.
did x-force fail before or after they stopped archangel apocalypse and mad jim jefferies from destroying various dimensions and worlds? did they fail before or after they prevented dystopian futures from occuring and stopping the new brotherhood from controlling a new apocalypse. did x-force fail when they turned genesis into a kind, thoughtful, reasonable young man?
Wolverine does alright job commanding like-minded individuals(killers).
Cyclops does a phenomal job commanding people similar to him, is totally different from him, hate him or doubts him or his goals.
This is a no-contest.
Oh also sissy logan cant even make tough decisions nowadays.
Hail revolutionary Cyclops.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
If by form a school you mean take credit for kitty prides hard work...Dark Phoenix killed Charles after he attacked Scott, Scott is a hero to all the new mutants, and led utopia before that so no not really 50/50 after scism.
logan did found the the school, he was the one that brought everyone together to make it happen, put in the resources and drew all their capacities out of them.
the opinions of new mutants about the divide between logan and cyke haven't really been explored. cykes folks felt the heat and are simpathetic of course, but theyre not militants yet. logan's new students are the same
clops is the best x-men leader if only for the fact that enough chars are willing to have faith in him and follow even if they disagree. sure there was a schism but many still followed clops.
but yeah on a spec ops team I'd want wolverine all day. If I wanted a general catch all team or by the minute decision maker CLOPS