Pre Crisis Luthor vs Reed Richards

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Originally posted by armedforbattle
Tech hierarchy IMO
1. Reed/Doom
2. Stark/Pym
3. Banner
4. Hank McCoy
5. T'Challa/Cho
you've left out herbert wyndham

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Reed wins this relatively easily against Lex. And although Pym is probably a top 5ish guy I can't ever even put him in the same ball park with Reed who IMO is soooooooo far above who ever is #2.

Don't invoke my wrath, just read might Avengers

Reed is probably around the same level, maybe a bit higher than Post Crisis Lex in the science department

Pre Crisis Lex and Alex Luthor make Reed and Doom look like a children with down syndrome

Lol, no
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Of all the Luthor's, I don't think PC Lex is the most formidable. I think Alexander Luthor Jr. is. He, IMO is like Reed, but on crack.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Of all the Luthor's, I don't think PC Lex is the most formidable. I think Alexander Luthor Jr. is. He, IMO is like Reed, but on crack.
Alex didn't have much exposure though. If he was around for more than one story arc, and consistently performed feats like he did in IC he would probably be above Doom and Reed but it's hard to tell if he would of performed at that level since he they offed him pretty quickly though.

But PC Lex should take all 3 of them to school based on the fact that he was able to make these inane leaps in logic, it's almost as if he had toon force.

Just to remind people of the stupidity of Pre-Crisis Lex's intelligence:

Also:

Phucking orange juice.

Originally posted by ThereIsHope
Lex wins cause he make a time machine out of a tin cup.
Originally posted by Cogito
Reed can do more, IMO, but Lex could do more with less.
Lex is also mightily, eternally driven to destroy one of the most powerful superheroes around. Wasn't he basically supposed to be the "super brains" counterpart to Superman's brawn?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also:

Phucking orange juice.

Not only did he make the concoction, but he was able to hide the cup of OJ in his cell. Do you know how thoroughly guards search a cell when looking for contraband? Reed may also be great at building things, but hiding them? Maybe not so much.

Originally posted by Killdeo
Alex didn't have much exposure though. If he was around for more than one story arc, and consistently performed feats like he did in IC he would probably be above Doom and Reed but it's hard to tell if he would of performed at that level since he they offed him pretty quickly though.

But PC Lex should take all 3 of them to school based on the fact that he was able to make these inane leaps in logic, it's almost as if he had toon force.

Don't forget his appearance in Robinson's JLA. He was revived then reversed the affects of Omega Man, thus bringing all the dead planets back on the fly.

He also told regular Luthor off and said he was better than he was.

Reed wins, not even a contest

Originally posted by Mindship
Lex is also mightily, eternally driven to destroy one of the most powerful superheroes around. Wasn't he basically supposed to be the "super brains" counterpart to Superman's brawn?
Not only did he make the concoction, but he was able to hide the cup of OJ in his cell. Do you know how thoroughly guards search a cell when looking for contraband? Reed may also be great at building things, but hiding them? Maybe not so much.

Pre-Crisis Superman was a super genius as well. Smarter than all the scientists on earth put together. Or something to that.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Don't forget his appearance in Robinson's JLA. He was revived then reversed the affects of Omega Man, thus bringing all the dead planets back on the fly.

He also told regular Luthor off and said he was better than he was.

I'd take that with a pinch of slat. Every Luthor thinks he's the smartest.

Are the rules the same for each? Because in that case, Reed wins.

However, if Luthor is allowed his Pre-Crisis toonforce, than Luthor stomps.

Example:

If I gave both guys orange juice, mouth wash, aspirin and some radio parts, then Luthor with Pre-Crisis toonforce will make an invisibility serum.

Reed would get a stomach ache.

But if we gave both guys the same ingredients in Marvel Now!, nothing would happen.

PreCrisis was just a different era, man.

Saying that, what weird sciencey stuff did Reed do during the PreCrisis era? I know Marvel obviously never had the same Crisis, but they must have had similar feats?

That's all Pre Crisis Lex is though, toon force. Take that away and that pretty takes away his entire character.\

Toon Force characters are always going to be smarter than characters like Reed, it's a power in of itself.