Originally posted by Newjak
The main difference between you and me is that for you it sounds like Gritty equals tough moral issues, I don't really see it that way.Just because Nolan went for a more 'realistic approach' and a more gritty approach does not in and of itself mean to me he produced a less safe movie especially now when those types of movies have become common place. Even more so when I think back to the Burton films who did 2 decades ago minus the realistic part at times.
And just because the Avengers didn't go super gritty does not mean they played it safe.
From there you and I can have varying degrees of how we felt each movie played it more or less safe than others. I might even agree with you overall that the Batman series may have played some things less safe, but that does not mean I believe the Avengers was this candyland sort of place like you.
Gritty doesn't necessarily have anything to do with realism, sadly. I'm not saying that it has to be dark, I'm saying that they need to deal with some real issues or at the very least make their threat seem like an actual threat.
I'm not saying that they played it safe because it wasn't dark. Dark and relatable aren't always connected, just like realism and grittiness don't always have something in common. I'm saying that the Avengers was safe because it had an overly simplistic plot, had virtually no moral grey zones, did not put the heroes in any truly difficult situations, chock-full of 3D action and shallow puns.
I feel like you're not actually responding to my arguments but rather just mirroring a general outline of what I'm saying. If you don't want to actually get into this, that's fine. It doesn't have to be more complicated than the fact that you just like Avengers more 😄