Originally posted by Diesldude
Can Sis-Neg overthrow TOAA?Synnar is working towards overthrowing the Presence.
I'm going with Synnar because he supposedly created AND maintained EVERY ALTERNATE REALITY in the DCU except the original one. He's gotta be massively powerful to pull that off.
EDIT :
Proof scan -
^^ ... about the same thing Sise-Neg did imo.
Should be a stalemate.
If Synnar became the most powerful being in all existence,
then this would be a stalemate,
cause that's exactly what Genesis was.
Also ... what's up with this:
Carnivore usurping the Presence's male aspect.
.. ouch ...
Originally posted by DiesldudeCan Sis-Neg overthrow TOAA?
Synnar is working towards overthrowing the Presence.
That aside,
no one in Marvel can work towards or have any chance at touching the TOAA,
in any way, shape or form unless TOAA draws themselves getting pissed upon.
That said, Sise-Neg became "God" of all reality!
(he absorbed All extant energy across All realities)
There are only a canon handful that can definitively claim this "God" status.
The Infinity Being - Thanos/HOTI - Alien Entity/Reed -
and Entropy/Genis/Eternity/Infinity collectively by default
due to the cosmic cycle.
Aside from the Infinity Being who started it all,
these are the only instances where all space-time was turned into a void,
then re-started via the Big Bang.
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ ... about the same thing Sise-Neg did imo.
Should be a stalemate.If Synnar became the most powerful being in all existence,
then this would be a stalemate,
cause that's exactly what Genesis was.
Aside from that, Seis Neg did what exactly? Beat Merlin, the wizards/whores in Sodom and Gomorrah, and Shuma Gorath (who was bullying ape men).
Not only did Synnar create AND maintain EVERY alt reality DC has, he fought against EVERYONE and their mother and beat them down. This something akin to Thanos w/HotU stomping all of Marvel.
In terms of on panel feats AND fights, Synnar is by far the more impressive character (power wise).
Also ... what's up with this:Carnivore usurping the Presence's male aspect.
.. ouch ...
Originally posted by zopzop
Seis Neg never really impressed me. Like you said, lots of beings
have started a "Big Bang" : Genis/Entropy, Alien Entity/Reed, etc...
As if Synnar is the only one capable of that in DC.
Originally posted by zopzop
Aside from that, Seis Neg did what exactly? Beat Merlin, the
wizards/whores in Sodom and Gomorrah, and Shuma Gorath (who
was bullying ape men).
He never beat anyone of his own accord, he wasn't interested in that.
Originally posted by zopzop
Not only did Synnar create AND maintain EVERY alt reality DC has,
he fought against EVERYONE and their mother and beat them down.
This something akin to Thanos w/HotU stomping all of Marvel.In terms of on panel feats AND fights, Synnar is by far the more
impressive character (power wise).
Anyway, Synnar fought whoever he fought,
Sise-Neg just took Everyone's power.
In the end, Sise-Neg became Genesis, and at this point, he was a Supreme Being.
The happenings "in-between" to and fro are inconsequential
since this is them at the height of their power.
... and at the height of his power, Sise-Neg now Genesis was "God."
Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah that's a laughably bad showing.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The happenings "in-between" to and fro are inconsequential
since this is them at the height of their power.... and at the height of his power, Sise-Neg now Genesis was "God."
And I'm curious as to why you'd say Synnar stomping all of DC isn't the same as Thanos w/HotU stomping all of Marvel?
Basically Synnar did what Thanos w/HotU did until "God" put his foot down and ended it.
Originally posted by zopzopI disagree here Mr. M. Since by this logic Alien Entity/Reed was
God and Entropy/Genis was God too.
Originally posted by zopzopAnd I'm curious as to why you'd say Synnar stomping all of DC
isn't the same as Thanos w/HotU stomping all of Marvel?Basically Synnar did what Thanos w/HotU did until "God" put his foot
down and ended it.
Thanos absorbed effortlessly the most powerful entity currently in Marvel,
that's all that matters.
Did Synnar defeat any particular heavyweight mentioned?
Originally posted by Mr Master
Precisely. The Entropy/Genis/Eternity case is circumstantial though.
On panel Synnar created AND maintained EVERY alt reality in DC (including all the powers and principalities that inhabit them).
Is the DC reality coming at him or all of heaven's angels & demons?Thanos absorbed effortlessly the most powerful entity currently in Marvel,
that's all that matters.Did Synnar defeat any particular heavyweight mentioned?
And as we've seen some of DC's angels, like Michael are packing at least universe level creating power within them (hell there were on panel scans stating it was MULTIVERSE creating level of power). And they still got stomped by Synnar.
Originally posted by Mr Masterwhen sisneg became God of all reality was he above toaa? This would also imply that toaa isn't eternal and has a beginning.
^^ ... about the same thing Sise-Neg did imo.
Should be a stalemate.If Synnar became the most powerful being in all existence,
then this would be a stalemate,
cause that's exactly what Genesis was.Also ... what's up with this:
Carnivore usurping the Presence's male aspect.
.. ouch ...
TOAA and the Presence are not counterparts.
That aside,
no one in Marvel can work towards or have any chance at touching the TOAA,
in any way, shape or form unless TOAA draws themselves getting pissed upon.That said, Sise-Neg became "God" of all reality!
(he absorbed All extant energy across All realities)There are only a canon handful that can definitively claim this "God" status.
The Infinity Being - Thanos/HOTI - Alien Entity/Reed -
and Entropy/Genis/Eternity/Infinity collectively by default
due to the cosmic cycle.Aside from the Infinity Being who started it all,
these are the only instances where all space-time was turned into a void,
then re-started via the Big Bang.
Originally posted by zopzop
So Entropy/Genis is God but we only saw them create one reality,
616. Same with Seis Neg and Alien Entity/Reed.
If you believe Entropy/Genis took out just one Reality,
let me know if that needs attention.
If you return with them stating "The Universe" ...
I'll return with the fact that the Microverse (a Distant separate Entire Universe)
was also erased by Entropy/Genis as stated on panel,
therefore, there's no doubt it wasn't just 616, it was everything,
because when the term "The Universe" is used, it's either just one reality or all
depending on the context of the story.
So why would they say "The Universe"
when we know the Microverse is Another entire separate Universe Way outside 616?
You feel me?
That aside: From the Entropy/Genis book: (Context of the story) 🙂
"Entropy is the son of Eternity, the being who's essence encompasses the Entirety of the Multiverse ...
... Entropy/Genis quest to destroy his father,
and End All Creation."
I guess you can flip a coin. 😛
Originally posted by zopzop
On panel Synnar created AND maintained EVERY alt reality in DC (including all the powers and principalities that inhabit them).
Originally posted by zopzop
It clearly says God threw EVERYTHING he had at him on panel.
This would by definition include every being that was ever created.
On top of this all we see On Panel in the scan you provided are Angels and Demons,
exactly what Synnar said he was up against. (not Mxy/Cosmic Extant or others)
Originally posted by zopzop
And as we've seen some of DC's angels, like Michael are packing
at least universe level creating power within them (hell there
were on panel scans stating it was MULTIVERSE creating level of
power). And they still got stomped by Synnar.
Also, your scans aren't really helping the Presence itself my good friend:
Not all-knowing
"The Presence ... He was NOT truly Supreme, merely superior" ...
... ouch ...
Originally posted by Diesldudewhen sisneg became God of all reality was he above toaa?
This would also imply that toaa isn't eternal and has a beginning.
TOAA draws "supreme beings" into existence with the stroke of a pencil.
Look at mighty Galactus (not supreme but still) just a silly image of ink on paper:
(notice how reality is created as he maneuvers his pencil)
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Anyway, it was made clear that the in-universe "God" of all reality
is beneath the true "God" which is TOAA:
Originally posted by Mr MasterI see what you are saying..
😂TOAA draws "supreme beings" into existence with the stroke of a pencil.
Look at mighty Galactus (not supreme but still) just a silly image of ink on paper:
(notice how reality is created as he maneuvers his pencil)
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Anyway, it was made clear that the in-universe "God" of all reality
is beneath the true "God" which is TOAA:
the god of comics < the writer which is toaa. Toaaa can pencil anything he wants and can literally draw the comics god of all realties into a tunip.
sometimes the story|character history is >than the writer and can limit\ control what the writer can pencil in. Does that character than become >toaa?
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ ... about the same thing Sise-Neg did imo.
Should be a stalemate.If Synnar became the most powerful being in all existence,
then this would be a stalemate,
cause that's exactly what Genesis was.Also ... what's up with this:
Carnivore usurping the Presence's male aspect.
.. ouch ...
TOAA and the Presence are not counterpart.
I see you've become very fond of those scans 😂
This scan was from Supergirl Vol 4 #50.Carnivore was holding 3 earth born angels.This earth born angels are Linda Danvers(Supergirl who is an Earth born angel and not a Kryptonian),Blithe and Comet.They also seem to represent the Presence's female aspect known as the Schechina(the feminine aspect of the Presence and was accountable for acts of mercy and compassion amongst others) that keeps the Presence in check.Because if the Presence loses his female aspect, he will become the merciless God of the Old Testament.Basically, the Presence has no choice but to comply with Carnivore's demands.
As for the thread.Stalemate seems to be reasonable 😎
Originally posted by Mr Master[/b]
I have no problem proving Sise-Neg absorbed All Existing power across all realities,
let me know.If you believe Entropy/Genis took out just one Reality,
let me know if that needs attention.If you return with them stating "The Universe" ...
I'll return with the fact that the Microverse (a Distant separate Entire Universe)
was also erased by Entropy/Genis as stated on panel,
therefore, there's no doubt it wasn't just 616, it was everything,
because when the term "The Universe" is used, it's either just one reality or all
depending on the context of the story.So why would they say "The Universe"
when we know the Microverse is Another entire separate Universe Way outside 616?You feel me?
That aside: From the Entropy/Genis book: (Context of the story) 🙂
"Entropy is the son of [b]Eternity
, the being who's essence encompasses the Entirety of the Multiverse ...
... Entropy/Genis quest to destroy his father,
and End All Creation."I guess you can flip a coin. 😛
So did Sise-Neg.
Not the same thing my friend. As we noticed on panel, Seis Neg did not create Mordo or Dr Strange because they were there and present for his Big Bang. I'm assuming higher end beings like the LT also weren't destroyed or recreated when Seis Neg did his deed.
Likewise with Genis/Entropy or Alien Entitiy/Reed. How could Eternity/Entropy destroy and recreate a being greater than himself, the LT?
Synnar created EVERYTHING except he that was himself uncreated. It's stated on panel. He even created beings that can create entire universes/a multiverse and he fought and beat them down.
He beatdown EVERYONE except "God" (even beings that have/had "Big Bang" level power within them aka Michael).
So you have no proof the DC Universe came at him friend?[/b]On top of this all we see On Panel in the scan you provided are Angels and Demons,
Mxy/Cosmic Extant or others)
exactly what Synnar said he was up against. ([b]notPerhaps ... so long as we understand it was angels and demons,
not Cosmic powers and such like a Mxy or Kismet.
Also, your scans aren't really helping the Presence itself my good friend:Not all-knowing
"The Presence ... He was NOT truly Supreme, merely superior" ...
... ouch ...
Mr. M, my friend, that's typical villain banter. Here Mephisto does the same thing concerning the LT :
And what chance does Mephisto have vs the LT? None. And unlike Mephisto, Synnar actually displayed literal GOD like power (creation of EVERY SINGLE REALITY in DCU except the prime one and not because he couldn't it was because GOD already created it, creation of EVERY power and principality and being in DC, AND his absolute superiority over his creations).
Good point but I wouldn't think so, in the real world you're absolutely correct.
But that's actually delving into paradoxical dialogue
like giving fiction too much reality imo.
TOAA > all drawings on panel .. anything other (like writer's
constrictions due to plot/history and whatnot) are the policies in this
illustrated literary genre that must be followed to keep a not so
perfect seamless historical nexus that connects many different points of views.
