What fts does H'el have that puts him above Thor? I'm trying to understand what puts him so far above Herald levels like people thinks. I seen his prolong fight against Superboy, seen his fight against Superman, seen where he snuck attacked them in the fortress. Seen where he uppercut a Superman into space that nearly dropped him. What else is there?
Originally posted by carver9did you just see the scans here or did you really read the comics?
What fts does H'el have that puts him above Thor? I'm trying to understand what puts him so far above Herald levels like people thinks. I seen his prolong fight against Superboy, seen his fight against Superman, seen where he snuck attacked them in the fortress. Seen where he uppercut a Superman into space that nearly dropped him. What else is there?
I read most of the books with H'el in them, and I would never place him within Thanos' class of Herald busters. He's a top tier Herald, and did not show me anything that someone of his tier with his power sets could not do. H'el simply had powers outside of Superman's skill or power settings, making him the proverbial slippery fish.
If someone believes that I am low balling here, I'm not, Superman is a very impressive character by any means, and for anyone to have the ability to catch him flat footed is outstanding. Does this make H'el a Trans tier level character? No but very close.
In order to truly gauge H'el's level and call him a Trans, one would have to place him up against a Trans level character (Thanos perhaps?). Superboy is a low - middle level Herald if that. For instance the Titans were able to put him through the paces. That's hardly High Herald stats. Just saying. And H'el has only had a handful of appearances. If Rulk disappeared after a handful of appearances, he would have gone down as a Trans level character as well.
My point is that people have to stop handing out Trans passes to just any character with the ability to trounce their favorite boy/girl wonder. Just saying.
1. Superman flew from PLuto to Earth in about a minute. H'el can move faster than Superman's senses can follow and blitz him continuously. That should give H'el a hefty speed advantage. And Thor is below WBH in strength/durability enough H'el shouldn't have too much trouble hurting him.
2. Same as above except if H'el could use that weird stasis field that restrained the Super Trio his life would be much easier. The time-portal stuff is too unreliable.
3. same as above accept I suppose now H'el could use his teleportation.
Does Thor have resistance to being shrunk? H'el did so to Kara?
Originally posted by -Pr-
H'el is only trans in the sense that when pushed, guys like Surfer and Superman and Thor are too. However, he is incredibly versatile, so add that to his decent physical stats, and you could certainly make the argument.He's at the very least high herald, along the upper edge.
Yep yep.
Originally posted by Stoic
I read most of the books with H'el in them, and I would never place him within Thanos' class of Herald busters. He's a top tier Herald, and did not show me anything that someone of his tier with his power sets could not do. H'el simply had powers outside of Superman's skill or power settings, making him the proverbial slippery fish.If someone believes that I am low balling here, I'm not, Superman is a very impressive character by any means, and for anyone to have the ability to catch him flat footed is outstanding. Does this make H'el a Trans tier level character? No but very close.
In order to truly gauge H'el's level and call him a Trans, one would have to place him up against a Trans level character (Thanos perhaps?). Superboy is a low - middle level Herald if that. For instance the Titans were able to put him through the paces. That's hardly High Herald stats. Just saying. And H'el has only had a handful of appearances. If Rulk disappeared after a handful of appearances, he would have gone down as a Trans level character as well.
My point is that people have to stop handing out Trans passes to just any character with the ability to trounce their favorite boy/girl wonder. Just saying.
Rulk was operating at Trans level early in his career 👆 I agree with this. The same is true for H'el. He is significantly more powerful then the High Heralds he fights. He might drop a Tier, like Rulk did, after we learn the circumstances of his feats and his "real" power, and after he gets his ass handed to him. Till then, I would place him in the Trans tier.
As for Thor, SS, Superman or Hulk. They are legit high heralds who tap into Translevels or even as high as low Skyfatherlevels from time to time, if the story or the challange requires it. Just my opinion though.