Originally posted by MF DELPH
While there's not a female equivalent that I am aware of for figures like Socrates, Newton, etc.
There aren't really equivalents to "Socrates, Newton, etc" among men either. Focusing on people who have been deified and popularized for their accomplishments is fairly pointless, no one is ever going to match them. Heck even Tesla wasn't as brilliant as 😇TESLA😇.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
I think it's yes across the board, actually, though science is tricky. In art and culture women have contributed greatly by not only creating art (particularly music) but also in being the muse and inspiration from which many men produced their art (or for whom it is produced, also, again, particularly in music). While there's not a female equivalent that I am aware of for figures like Socrates, Newton, etc. (mainly due to gender inequality in Western Society keeping women out of higher learning for centuries/millenia), women are still the first teachers of children so they do contribute and provide the foundation.
Some would argue the preponderance of women in Education is having a negative effect on culture and boys in particular. In terms of females as composers and musicians.... Mozart, The Beatles, Philip Glass, Hendrix, Led Zepplin etc. A muse undoubtedly contributes indirectly; however, does a muse directly create? Perhaps I should reword my initial opener as - Do women produce as much? Beyond kids that is. Re: Gender inequality is this more a biological instinct and natural nurturing role than something men (the bad guys) thrust upon them in the West? Joan of Arc, Lizzy the first, Boudica all wielded power, what was their legacy?
Originally posted by Anthony Stark
Where is the female Tesla, Lavoisier, da Vinci, Newton, Archimedes or even Karl Gauss? Where is the female Marx or Machiavelli. I think we have had a number of notable female martyrs who have made a difference. Women can be passionate but can they really on mass contribute?
in the rare cases, historically, where women were given the same opportunity as men to even participate in science, we don't recognize the spectacular among them because they weren't recognized in their own time. I forget her name, but a woman demonstrated that the atom could be split decades before it was presented by the male scientists who are credited with the discovery, it isn't that there is no female Tesla, it is that the female Tesla was almost certainly not given the opportunity, and if she was, was likely ignored by the wider scientific community due to mysogyny at every level of society.
and not being able to think of a female equivalent to Marx speaks far more about your own knowledge base than about women :/ for instance, ummm, Rand lol, Hannah Arrendt, de Bouvouir who I mentioned earlier... etc, you know, if you just want the ones I can think of off the top of my head...
Re: Have and do women contribute as much to Culture, Science and Art as men?
Originally posted by Anthony Stark
Do women and have women contributed as much to Culture, Art and Science as men. In terms of both quality and quantity? Has feminism increased the female contribution in these areas? Should we value the female intellect as highly?
Lol this coming from the guy with a Naked Tony Stark in his pic and sig..lmao
Originally posted by Oliver North
to be fair, I also don't remember the male who did it, not being a historian of physics or being bothered to do a google search
Uh huh, so when the rare triumphant female scientist is triumphant, female and a scientist, you can' be bothered to remember her name or search for it. Shame, shame on you..... 😬
Originally posted by Oliver North
haha, damn iPhone!
I do question the accepted narrative that men kept women down in the west. To be completely honest; the number of men who had the education and money to be involved in the stated areas, was and is still very few. The vast majority of people from both sexes do not contribute intellectually to the advancement of humanity, even within the groups wealthy enough and educated enough to be able to do so.
Originally posted by Anthony Stark
I do question the accepted narrative that men kept women down in the west. To be completely honest; the number of men who had the education and money to be involved in the stated areas, was and is still very few. The vast majority of people from both sexes do not contribute intellectually to the advancement of humanity, even within the groups wealthy enough and educated enough to be able to do so.
sure, but even among the privileged, women were excluded