Originally posted by DTM
Ah, sorry, youre right, dont know why I seemed to miss that.OK then, Team with 4x more prep beats out Doom.
Yeah that was the original stipulation; but actually by giving the team one month prep I really just wanted to provide it for Bats (so he could actually be in the fight). What I should have said was one moth prep for Batman and a week for Fate and Lobo, just like Doom.
If it's classic Fate he could solo with a minute or less prep. While fighting Totec in the middle of battle he froze time, viewed the future about to unfold and how Totec would win. Changed tact, defeated Totec, and then since the Earth and all life on it was destroyed during his battle just reality warped everything back to the way it was.
Classic Fate had physical powers to Superman level without any magic
Energy and matter manipulation to Captain Atom level
TK that could move planets, and TP
Plus his magic that was close to Classic Strange level
Add in clairvoyance and time manipulation, and the ability to call on the power of any god
Originally posted by DTMIve read SW many many times, again, no he didnt.
Whatever answer you give me will beg one more question:
If so,
why did 616 Doom see/meet the Beyonder for the first time ever,
TWO Years later nearing the end of SWII in an FF book?
I know the actual truth with On Panel proof,
but I'd love to see what response would come of these questions
from a person who read SW "many many times," before I burst Doom bubbles.
Originally posted by Mr Master
In a reality where the Beyonder himself
is subconsciously giving everyone what they want,
and the Concept of Death is warped making inhabitants extra difficult to kill.That Doom, plucked from a Future he ceased to exist in,
wanted Beyonder's power more than Beyonder wanted his own power.That's it, that was the stipulation, and the Plot was that Beyonder had to become limited (by losing most of his power)
so that he could grow curious about desire (wanting his power back) in this weakened state,
thus paving the way/story for Beyonder's visitation in Secret Wars II,
which was a quest for Beyonder to understand desire.Anyway ...
It seems that Beyonder gave everyone in his newb state the power to make their desires come true.
Even That Doom taking his power as idiotic as that is.
After the Beyonder leaves back to the Beyond Realm,
the residual energy of his Power left over as an after-effect from his scuffle with Doom,
was still giving everyone there their wishes.One example of many,
Captain America controls atoms by force of "Will" alone:
So, That Doom took Beyonder's power cause he wanted it.
Cap is a matter manipulator simply because he wants his shield back.
It seems in this realm the Beyonder set up for them,
when the time is right,
anything is possible. 😬
Cap was able to remake his shield only after his team won the secret wars, that was their reward.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting. Just curious, how did 616 Doom take Beyonder's power,
when [b]Doom was back on Earth 616 during SWI,
while the Heroes/Villains where in another universe on Battleworld?Whatever answer you give me will beg one more question:
If so,
why did 616 Doom see/meet the Beyonder for the first time ever,
TWO Years later nearing the end of SWII in an FF book?I know the actual truth with On Panel proof,
but I'd love to see what response would come of these questions
from a person who read SW "many many times," before I burst Doom bubbles. [/B]
The real Doom was in SW1, yes, and he did claim the Beyonders powers. Years later during SW2, when the Beyonder came to earth, the body of Doom had been destroyed (in between SW 1 and 2) during a battle with Terrax, though before that happened Doom transfered his mind into a nearby man, who later became the new (temporary) Dr. Doom. It was this Doom that the Beyonder met and dealt with during SW2 (which was still Doom, it was just his mind in anothers body). So Yes, true, authentic, original Dr. Doom WAS in SW1, and he did claim the Beyonders power (with a bit of prep and Galactus' tech).
Originally posted by AaklaCap was able to remake his shield only after his team won the
secret wars, that was their reward.
Originally posted by DTMThe real Doom was in SW1, yes, and he did claim the Beyonders
powers. Years later during SW2, when the Beyonder came to earth,
the body of Doom had been destroyed (in between SW 1 and 2)
during a battle with Terrax, though before that happened Doom
transfered his mind into a nearby man, who later became the new
(temporary) Dr. Doom. It was this Doom that the Beyonder met and
dealt with during SW2 (which was still Doom, it was just his mind in
anothers body). So Yes, true, authentic, original Dr. Doom WAS in
SW1, and he did claim the Beyonders power (with a bit of prep and
Galactus' tech).
Doom's body was utterly obliterated in 1983 by Terrax (ONE Year Before SWI)
in FF #260.
So the questions still stand,
and I can see you'll never know the right answer,
which is why I'm here. 🙂
I'll return in a bit good friend. (not just with opinions lacking visual proof)
Originally posted by DTM
The real Doom was in SW1, yes, and he did claim the Beyonders powers. Years later during SW2, when the Beyonder came to earth, the body of Doom had been destroyed (in between SW 1 and 2) during a battle with Terrax, though before that happened Doom transfered his mind into a nearby man, who later became the new (temporary) Dr. Doom. It was this Doom that the Beyonder met and dealt with during SW2 (which was still Doom, it was just his mind in anothers body). So Yes, true, authentic, original Dr. Doom WAS in SW1, and he did claim the Beyonders power (with a bit of prep and Galactus' tech).
I don't really think it matters. The Beyonder wanted Doom there, so he was there. Wasn't ultron brought back in the blink of an eye for SW1 after previously being destroyed/killed?
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]LIke I stated in my orginal post. This is the "WHAT IF Bats and Fate weren't holding LOBO back"??So in thus thence. LOBO vs Dr. DOOM.
LOBO wins.
Nuff said.
[/B]
Oh, didn't see the "what if" . Well, If the fight is set on an abandoned planet that could work. If Lobo is trying to blow up Earth however, he would have more than just Batman and Fate to think about.
