Vader (ANH) vs. Kenobi (ROTS)
who wins this battle in:
1. Sabers
2. All out
I didn't choose force because I think all would say Vader woudl win in a force battle. So... does Vader experience and more training allow him to defeat his old master in his prime? Or does Vader slower movement get him the same treatment Kenobi gave him last time?
Originally posted by Vensai
Cause he apparently couldn't get past Kenobi's force defenses.
Originally posted by Vensai
[BEven in ROTS, Anakin's TK only matched Kenobi's TK during their force push duel. And Anakin was stronger in ROTS. ROTS Kenobi takes both situations. [/B]
Originally posted by Jedi Mom
Proof? Either way obviously ANH Kenobi would've improved in the force.Vader's TK is if anything better than Dooku's. Dooku threw Kenobi like a ragdoll in their duel in RotS.
If Vader could force pwn Kenobi he would have. Otherwise the saber fight was a waste of time. Dooku is no slouch in the force himself. He has rag dolled Anakin more than once. And ROTS Anakin was the peak of his power. After his injuries he was weaker than before, as stated in various sources like the novelisation.
Originally posted by Vensai
If Vader could force pwn Kenobi he would have. Otherwise the saber fight was a waste of time.
Originally posted by Vensai
Dooku is no slouch in the force himself. He has rag dolled Anakin more than once. And ROTS Anakin was the peak of his power. After his injuries he was weaker than before, as stated in various sources like the novelisation.
Originally posted by Jedi Mom
Doesn't matter anyway as this is RotS Kenobi, not ANH.He might have been weaker but he was still a beast with the force, at least equal to Dooku. And Kenobi stands no chance against Dooku when the force is involved.
If anakin was stronger in the force than dooku than why does Dooku keep owning him with the force? Anakin got weaker after being Vader not stronger.
Originally posted by Jedi Mom
1. Vader>Anakin in the force.
2. Dooku never pwned Anakin in the force.
Vader was not overwhelmingly stronger than Anakin in the force. His ROTS self could topple huge statues and levitate huge chunks. And Dooku was always owned Anakin in the force. In AOTC and during their fight on Naboo, Dooku smacked him with TK and FL.
Originally posted by Jedi Mom
1. Yes he was. Choked a guy across the galaxy, deflecting blaster bolts, bringing down a temple?2. You realise there are a difference between AotC and RotS Anakin?
Anakin toppled a building in Mon Calmari and continuously schooled Ventress in a force battle even whe he was a padawan. Anyone competent Jedi or Sith can deflect blaster bolts with a saber. And Anakin can block bolts easily. TCW Anakin was hit badly with Dookus force attack in Crisis on Naboo. And name a time when Dooku has been force schooled by Anakin. I have never heard of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeCuEx-JYP0
Watch at about 2:30. Dooku smashes Anakin across the hall. He's up after 5 seconds. In contrary Kenobi was down after the same sort of attack.
Vader has crushed a cathedral in Darth Vader and the Lost Command, blocked/redirected lightning. The first feat puts him above Dooku imo. And Dooku disposed Kenobi with ease.
Originally posted by Jedi Mom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeCuEx-JYP0Watch at about 2:30. Dooku smashes Anakin across the hall. He's up after 5 seconds. In contrary Kenobi was down after the same sort of attack.
Vader has crushed a cathedral in Darth Vader and the Lost Command, blocked/redirected lightning. The first feat puts him above Dooku imo. And Dooku disposed Kenobi with ease.
So did Anakin smash Dooku? We're talking about Anakin/Vader and Dooku here. Anakin still got smashed and was unable to stop it. Though he did fight evenly with Dooku. Dooku has brought down structures too like here www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ieRQ-4BB4.
Dooku has deflected lightning after grand master Yoda reflected it at him. How is Dookus force abilities that much weaker than Anakins?
Dooku is superior to RotS Anakin with the force. Lets just say Vader is Dooku's equal with the force (which he is atleast).
When Dooku smashed Anakin with the force: Anakin got up after 5sec
When Dooku smashed Kenobi with the force: Kenobi was unconscious
My point is Vader would be able to treat RotS Kenobi just like Dooku treated him, maybe even better.
Originally posted by Jedi Mom
Dooku is superior to RotS Anakin with the force. Lets just say Vader is Dooku's equal with the force (which he is atleast).When Dooku smashed Anakin with the force: Anakin got up after 5sec
When Dooku smashed Kenobi with the force: Kenobi was unconsciousMy point is Vader would be able to treat RotS Kenobi just like Dooku treated him, maybe even better.
In a force battle, Dooku would shock Vader with FL To death which he has no defense against due to his slow speed.
Anakin getting up is a toughness feat not a force feat.