Originally posted by curryman
Not many, and I don't think anyone's disputing the fact that Tyrant would smash any of them.I just think this hole team thing gets blown completely out of proportion whenever someone's fighting more than one character. In a comic a herald team is virtually never-ever greater than the sum of its parts, quite the contrary.
People also seem to forget that half of the Tyrant fight had the heralds fighting his personal army. They also don't take into account how Thanos is portrayed in comparison to the heralds in that line of comics.
Darkseid's gotten taken down by Superman, but in all honesty I think Superman would beat Tyrant just as bad had he been in Darkseid's shoes. Just like I believe Superman would beat Bor or Odin or Galactus or any damn one. He's Superman, he's angry and he's right outside the damn sun. Losing there under the Batman/Superman writer would not be a low feat for anyone in my opinion. 🙂
Darkseid also has his fair share of easily humbling heralds/being unaffected by their attacks.
Bor... well, he doesn't have that many feats. He's always been above Odin, we know that much. Though JMS Thor didn't have too much in the way of showings, by his own admission Bor would've killed him in more or less one-two hits had he not been in possession of the Odinforce. And Thor broke the hammer/expended almost all of the Odinforce in taking him out.
Maybe not Odin's equal, but damn close.
You know, some of the posters on this forum leave a whole lot to be desired. 😂
Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, BRB threw his hammer at him and what happened? It bounced right off him and DP Tyrant didn't even feel it.How many people have taken hits like that from an Uru hammer and just laughed it off?
You know, there have been some great points mentioned in this thread:
1) The Heralds that faced Tyrant did not fight as a cohensive group and were already weakened prior to the fight by Tyrants tech...
2) Darkseid has lost some to Superman, but lets be honest, Supes in DC's golden boy; he'd beat Thanos as well (and maybe even Tyrant himself in the right environment) if all the chips were down...
3) Despite some low showings, Darkseid has punked Heralds with the same ease that we saw Tyrant do it in...
Good points people...good points.
LOL at people trying to downplay Tyrants stomp of the heralds. He wasn't even trying. If he really wanted to end them he would've been in beast mode like when he was slicing up Galactus with those talons.
Hell, Tyrants heavy trooper drones zapped and took Gladiator and BRB hostage with ease.
When Surfer and Ganymede arrived at the fortress, Surfer got one shotted by Tyrant.
^On the next page when Surfer finally came to his senses, he was hooked up to the siphoning unit with everybody else.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because? Tyrant beating a few heralds who were being drained just prior to that?
You know, somehow I don't see Galactus backing down from Darkseid. The heralds were all back to full power after being freed. The was no mention of them being weak or anything like that. That's just something people like you say to make Tyrant's feats less impresive. Anyway, Tyrant would stomp Darkseid because he's much more powerful. It is what it is.
Originally posted by abhilegendHe has no low showings and has always been portrayed as a rival to Galactus. Darkseid has not. Superman made him tap out, Orion killed him with his hands, DD made him flee once, and then completely dominated him along with his entire world in another story, etc.
Because? Tyrant beating a few heralds who were being drained just prior to that?
It's like saying hey professor forget those f's just focus on the a's. You have to look at his total body of work and then establish his average. Tyrant clearly stomps.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder1)We have seen simply Orion call the jla off to later kill Darkseid on his own.
You know, there have been some great points mentioned in this thread:1) The Heralds that faced Tyrant did not fight as a cohensive group and were already weakened prior to the fight by Tyrants tech...
2) Darkseid has lost some to Superman, but lets be honest, Supes in DC's golden boy; he'd beat Thanos as well (and maybe even Tyrant himself in the right environment) if all the chips were down...
3) Despite some low showings, Darkseid has punked Heralds with the same ease that we saw Tyrant do it in...
Good points people...good points.
2)We also see Superman routinely need help to defeat his foes in the jla. You can't speculate as fact. He made darkseid tap out not Tyrant. Darkseid was humiliated but he's also flat out ran from Doomsday before pre dos.
3)He's also been killed and submitted so there you have it. total body of work not just selected showings.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1)We have seen simply Orion call the jla off to later kill Darkseid on his own.2)We also see Superman routinely need help to defeat his foes in the jla. You can't speculate as fact. He made darkseid tap out not Tyrant. Darkseid was humiliated but he's also flat out ran from Doomsday before pre dos.
3)He's also been killed and submitted so there you have it. total body of work not just selected showings.
You do know this is current Darkseid in this thread? As in reboot DS?
Originally posted by quanchi112
He has no low showings and has always been portrayed as a rival to Galactus. Darkseid has not. Superman made him tap out, Orion killed him with his hands, DD made him flee once, and then completely dominated him along with his entire world in another story, etc.It's like saying hey professor forget those f's just focus on the a's. You have to look at his total body of work and then establish his average. Tyrant clearly stomps.
I also like how you continually ignore the fact that Darkseids loss to Doomsday was retconned away while simutaneously never failing to mention that Thanos's loss to Thor was retconned...
@Sundipped
Galactus's loss to Tyrant was utter, horrible, PIS...
Lets review the fight...shall we?
1) Galactus blasts Tyrant, but FORGETS (a near-omniscient being "FORGETTING" the powerset of his own creation that he just encountered a few issues earlier that wants to kill him!??? Really?????) that Tyrant can absorb BSE...so Tyrant is amped now.
2) Galactus unleashes his tech upon Tyrant, but once again in spectacular Bull S**T/PIS fashion, FORGETS that Tyrant is a high-end Technopath...
3) Its CLEARLY stated on panel that he forget these things as ridiculous as it is...
The hugely, clearly, jobber Galactus is screwed at that point...
Yes, it happened and I cant deny that, but dont dare suggest that this fight was anything other than PIS...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@SundippedGalactus's loss to Tyrant was utter, horrible, PIS...
Lets review the fight...shall we?
1) Galactus blasts Tyrant, but [b]FORGETS
(a near-omniscient being "FORGETTING" the powerset of his own creation that he just encountered a few issues earlier that wants to kill him!??? Really?????) that Tyrant can absorb BSE...so Tyrant is amped now.2) Galactus unleashes his tech upon Tyrant, but once again in spectacular Bull S**T/PIS fashion, FORGETS that Tyrant is a high-end Technopath...
3) Its CLEARLY stated on panel that he forget these things as ridiculous as it is...
The hugely, clearly, jobber Galactus is screwed at that point...
Yes, it happened and I cant deny that, but dont dare suggest that this fight was anything other than PIS... [/B]
Under writer Ron Martz who wrote the first confrontation, there was no absorption or tech advantage to speak of. Galactus blasted him with no repercussions. Then along comes writer Mike Lackey who all of a sudden introduces the advantage and writes that G forgot about these powers. I think the plot was predetermined with this discrepancy not really being a big deal. Writers aren't consistent / concerned with intricate details as the reader.
One things for sure though, despite the fight being considered PIS, the words straight out of G's mouth indicate that Tyrant is more than formidable in a all out battle
Originally posted by Sundipped
Under writer Ron Martz who wrote the first confrontation, there was no absorption or tech advantage to speak of. Galactus blasted him with no repercussions. Then along comes writer Mike Lackey who all of a sudden introduces the advantage and writes that G forgot about these powers. I think the plot was predetermined with this discrepancy not really being a big deal. Writers aren't consistent / concerned with intricate details as the reader.One things for sure though, despite the fight being considered PIS, the words straight out of G's mouth indicate that Tyrant is more than formidable in a all out battle
The beauty of that scan is that it was written by a different writer, Ron Marz. So BOTH Lackey (the supposed "PIS" fight) and Marz (Tyrant's first appearances) agree that even "DP" Tyrant is a legitimate threat to Galactus.
What character can say the same vs a non-hungry/non-starving Galactus? Surely no one under Skyfather level.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderDD's loss was never retconned away unless you are saying this is NUSeid whose one showing is far less than anything Tyrant has ever done.
I also like how you continually ignore the fact that Darkseids loss to Doomsday was retconned away while simutaneously never failing to mention that Thanos's loss to Thor was retconned...
Anyway you want it Tyrant stomps.
Originally posted by Dampyre
You know, somehow I don't see Galactus backing down from Darkseid. The heralds were all back to full power after being freed. The was no mention of them being weak or anything like that. That's just something people like you say to make Tyrant's feats less impresive. Anyway, Tyrant would stomp Darkseid because he's much more powerful. It is what it is.
Originally posted by Dampyre
A starving Galactus felled Darkseid with a single attack and shrugged off his pitiful Omega Beams. Tyrant was able to at least battle a fresh Gaalctus and actually win even if it wasn't through sheer power alone.
Originally posted by SundippedYeah, he was slicing up Galactus. That's like Thor and Beta Ray Bill level feat right there.
LOL at people trying to downplay Tyrants stomp of the heralds. He wasn't even trying. If he really wanted to end them he would've been in beast mode like when he was slicing up Galactus with those talons.
Hell, Tyrants heavy trooper drones zapped and took Gladiator and BRB hostage with ease.BRB was already heavily wounded with B&T Thor pushing his shit in. Who cares about Gladiator.
When Surfer and Ganymede arrived at the fortress, Surfer got one shotted by Tyrant.Twoshotting surfer is now oneshotting him, just great. Thor did that too just after that BTW. Its not like Darkseid hasn't beaten Heralds like that too.^On the next page when Surfer finally came to his senses, he was hooked up to the siphoning unit with everybody else.
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Puts Mon-El in coma
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Bor would've killed classic Thor in one hit. Treating like Tyrant knocking out heralds is such a big deal is laughable. See how easily he knocks out terrax, Jack of Hearts and Ganymede
