Thor's vs Doomsday's

Originally posted by quanchi112
Pis isn't a fact it's an interpretation which is subjective and therefore flawed. I am consistent in how I debate whereas you are not.

Some PIS is an interpretation (borderline PIS) while some is blatantly obvious (a fact). For example, Spider-man vs. Firelord is FACT PIS, Superman lifting infinity is FACT PIS, Thor surviving Celestial blasts is FACT PIS, Squirrel girl beating Thanos is FACT PIS, Thor being mortally wounded by bullets is FACT PIS, Surfer being armbarred by Black Panther is FACT PIS, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
Some PIS is an interpretation (borderline PIS) while some is blatantly obvious (a fact). For example, Spider-man vs. Firelord is FACT PIS, Superman lifting infinity is FACT PIS, Thor surviving Celestial blasts is FACT PIS, Squirrel girl beating Thanos is FACT PIS, Thor being mortally wounded by bullets is FACT PIS, Surfer being armbarred by Black Panther is FACT PIS, etc.

PIS and Plot armor are not the same thing.

PIS refers to plot induced stupidity in characters, where they fight like idiots and don't use any of their abilities/takes a dive.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Beating up on Monarch who was above sky father level or subduing Mxy.

Originally posted by h1a8
Some PIS is an interpretation (borderline PIS) while some is blatantly obvious (a fact). For example, Spider-man vs. Firelord is FACT PIS, Superman lifting infinity is FACT PIS, Thor surviving Celestial blasts is FACT PIS, Squirrel girl beating Thanos is FACT PIS, Thor being mortally wounded by bullets is FACT PIS, Surfer being armbarred by Black Panther is FACT PIS, etc.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Abhil is owning so hard in this thread, that the only excuse the Thor side has is "the warrior madness increasing his strength ten fold was stated only after the fight!". haermm

The fact that it's a non-excuse, and a defense that even a toddler can punch through, is hilarious in itself.

Originally posted by curryman
This post made no sense.

I concur.

I haven't been keeping up to date with this thread but if he's referring to the Hulk discussion, this post is amazingly dumb. Particularly for someone who seems to think he's so smart.

Thor did go into Warrior Madness against the mindless Merged Hulk in their fight near the end. He however did not get his strength increased ten fold, that idea did not even exist at the time, and if it did, someone like PAD would probably ignore it anways as he has a high regard for Thor's strength.

Historically, Warrior Madness has been Thor just going mindless. Against someone like Hulk this is an advantage as in this state, emotion, pain, feelings etc. are rendered obselete and he's nigh unstoppable but if he faces someone with a brain, it can be a hindrance (As noted by Balder).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hulk was temporarily forced to his knees by the lightning and recovered instantly which has nothing to do with strength and where did he feed hulk his teeth literally or figuratively?

It is. That was shown to indicate hulk's superior strength to thor that he can push thor to the ground with a single hand and thor couldn't free himself untill hulk was distracted.

Thor said that the warrior madness could increase his strength tenfold and he couldn't enter the warrior madness even after trying. Both of these contradict the actual showings of warrior madness. Thor entered warrior madness just a few months ago in IH 440 and his strength didn't increase tenfold evidently. Showings>>>>Statements without anything to back them up.

PAD had high opinion for nukes? Really? I remember hulk surviving a nuke without any problem. He also had supergirl survive one IIRC.

I remember it only dulled his intelligence. No mention of the limitation being lifted up was shown in the comic.

No it's not, because my point is that alternating sequences showed each one having advantages at different points, none are conclusive of an explicit advantage. Use some intelligence. Figuratively in the bottom screen (Too lazy to repost scan, I'm at work). He did however start breaking Hulk's bones with Mjolnir earlier.

Or maybe Hulk gained the advantage temporarily, like he did earlier. And Thor did etc. Either way, it's not conclusive and the fact that you pretend it is, is insulting our intelligence.

It isn't in line with previous showings of Warrior Madness but comics aren't set in stone. Things can be elaborated on, added etc. This revelation very clearly stated that Thor attempted to enter Warrior Madness so that he could beat Onslaught but due to spending so much time living among mortals, he forgot how to fight like a true God. Apparently, Warrior Madness can increase an Asgardian's strength up to ten fold. It's not like its a big contradiction, Thor's never tried to actively enter Warrior Madness in such a way, and whenever he has been in that state, he hasn't stayed very long.

As far as I recall, Nuclear Weapons could potentially kill Top Tiers in his opinion. But like I said, this is irrelevant so I'm not sure why you brought this up. I don't know of the Supergirl instance.

I will check the issue then because I specifically recall it giving him brain damage, unlocking a different part of his psyche (Maestro) and letting him get as angry as he wanted to without any limitation.

How many legit Warrior Madness incidents do we have?

The fight against Him, Power-Gem incident and ?

If by the Power-Gem incident you mean B&T, that wasn't true WM.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If by the Power-Gem incident you mean B&T, that wasn't true WM.

Idd, that was the "valkyrie" madness which Odin confirmed later on.

So what does that leave us with?

I'm not really sure, off hand I can only remember the two that have already been mentioned and I don't currently have access to my collection to check for others.

Being on an out of state assignment for work really sucks.

Thor first went into the Warrior Madness against Adam back during Lee/Kirby when he kidnapped Sif. He entered it briefly in a fight with Kang during the early Avenger years. He entered the Warrior Madness briefly against the Mindless Hulk as well.

Thor wasn't in Warrior Madness during the Blood and Thunder arc. He was mad, but it was due to Odin's tampering. Every single time Odin created a new Thor (Beta Ray Bill, Masterson, Norvell etc.) he didn't just grant them his son's power, he took a piece of Thor's soul/essence/whatever to give them their immortality or what have you.

This process over the years wore down Thor's psyche, until he created the Valkyrie persona in his mind and she shattered it into bits and pieces.

A bit ironic that Thor at arguably his most powerful was created as a direct result of Odin making him less powerful.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor first went into the Warrior Madness against Adam back during Lee/Kirby when he kidnapped Sif. He entered it briefly in a fight with Kang during the early Avenger years. He entered the Warrior Madness briefly against the Mindless Hulk as well.

Thor wasn't in Warrior Madness during the Blood and Thunder arc. He was mad, but it was due to Odin's tampering. Every single time Odin created a new Thor (Beta Ray Bill, Masterson, Norvell etc.) he didn't just grant them his son's power, he took a piece of Thor's soul/essence/whatever to give them their immortality or what have you.

This process over the years wore down Thor's psyche, until he created the Valkyrie persona in his mind and she shattered it into bits and pieces.

A bit ironic that Thor at arguably his most powerful was created as a direct result of Odin making him less powerful.

Makes senses.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He entered it briefly in a fight with Kang during the early Avenger years.

I knew there was an incident I was forgetting .)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor first went into the Warrior Madness against Adam back during Lee/Kirby when he kidnapped Sif. He entered it briefly in a fight with Kang during the early Avenger years. He entered the Warrior Madness briefly against the Mindless Hulk as well.

Thor wasn't in Warrior Madness during the Blood and Thunder arc. He was mad, but it was due to Odin's tampering. Every single time Odin created a new Thor (Beta Ray Bill, Masterson, Norvell etc.) he didn't just grant them his son's power, he took a piece of Thor's soul/essence/whatever to give them their immortality or what have you.

This process over the years wore down Thor's psyche, until he created the Valkyrie persona in his mind and she shattered it into bits and pieces.

A bit ironic that Thor at arguably his most powerful was created as a direct result of Odin making him less powerful.

This makes perfect sense 👆

It makes you wonder if Odin didn't do that instead gave a portion of the Odin force to Thor counter parts to grant them godlike abilities like BRB, Norvell, Thunderstrike etc; makes you wonder how powerful Thor would really be instead sharing his essence/soul godhood and powerful as Thor is, makes you wonder how really powerful he can become!

^There's nothing to wonder about that. Rune King Thor showed us just how powerful he could really become at his absolute peak.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No it's not, because my point is that alternating sequences showed each one having advantages at different points, none are conclusive of an explicit advantage. Use some intelligence. Figuratively in the bottom screen (Too lazy to repost scan, I'm at work). He did however start breaking Hulk's bones with Mjolnir earlier.

Or maybe Hulk gained the advantage temporarily, like he did earlier. And Thor did etc. Either way, it's not conclusive and the fact that you pretend it is, is insulting our intelligence.

It isn't in line with previous showings of Warrior Madness but comics aren't set in stone. Things can be elaborated on, added etc. This revelation very clearly stated that Thor attempted to enter Warrior Madness so that he could beat Onslaught but due to spending so much time living among mortals, he forgot how to fight like a true God. Apparently, Warrior Madness can increase an Asgardian's strength up to ten fold. It's not like its a big contradiction, Thor's never tried to actively enter Warrior Madness in such a way, and whenever he has been in that state, he hasn't stayed very long.

As far as I recall, Nuclear Weapons could potentially kill Top Tiers in his opinion. But like I said, this is irrelevant so I'm not sure why you brought this up. I don't know of the Supergirl instance.

I will check the issue then because I specifically recall it giving him brain damage, unlocking a different part of his psyche (Maestro) and letting him get as angry as he wanted to without any limitation.

Its not upto debate, feats>empty statements which contradict years of continuity. This is just sad.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Abhil is owning so hard in this thread, that the only excuse the Thor side has is "the warrior madness increasing his strength ten fold was stated only after the fight!". haermm

The fact that it's a non-excuse, and a defense that even a toddler can punch through, is hilarious in itself.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Don't sell yourself short, you are helping him do so well. Without you massaging his buttocks, he might lose all concentration! 😄

lawl

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Thor had no advantage anywhere in that fight. Also, it means thor has gone into warrior madness many times and his strength never increased 10 folds but a statement overrules everything else? You know how ridiculously laughable that is? He was very explicitly in warrior's madness here, just a few monts before Thor 502 which contradicts both statements

Its not upto debate, feats>empty statements which contradict years of continuity. This is just sad.