Thor/Hercules vs Superman/Orion (skill challenge)

when ever a thread about skills is made i find it kinda funny the answers people give.

for some reason people think skills = MA knowledge, the more MA you know the better fighter you are which is so wrong.
as a martial artis i can say that when someone who practice martial arts seriously and then get involved in a street fight, the best asset of the fighter is not the moves he learned but the reflex, speed, durability and striking power he achieved thruought the training.

i have seen a boxing match where russian team fought cuban team, when they were fighting they did everything a boxer does, lean to the sides, uppercut, jab, cross and whats not.
however when the fight ended and the results were given, both fighters really didnt like the results and guess what happened? they started to fight for real in the middle of the ring.
now funnies thing is suddenly they didnt use boxing moves and all the techniques, they tried to graple and take each other down, their teams got involved and guess what? they all fought like your averege street fighter with 90% of the time trying to take down and windmill punches.

my whole point is that in a fight the more importent thing is the stats, seeing how everybody are as fast, strong, durable atc atc atc as captain america their MA knowledge wont change too much, orion being skilled at stand up, hercules being skilled at wrestling, superman and thor being very good brawlers... i seriously think team herc will take it due to his wrestling he will just choke the others out IMO.
but seriously its much more even then people are thinking.
this is my personal opinion based on my experience in the world of fighting , if you think otherwise its great 🙂

^You aren't wrong but you aren't right either. Don't forget that in comics, MA are like a superpower, sometimes they are a superpower. So when considering who wins, you always have to consider the world of comics.

^ so basically each team has a high level brawler (superman and thor), which are in my opinion kind of even in that aspect, seeing as well how they have the same exact stats? Lol they will punch each other for a veryyyyy long time.
orion vs hercules? i give it to herc based on superior ground skills and wrestling which is in most cases the determining factor, after herc takes orion out by choking him out like he did to thor, you get the end of the picture.

Originally posted by red sabre
^ so basically each team has a high level brawler (superman and thor), which are in my opinion kind of even in that aspect, seeing as well how they have the same exact stats? Lol they will punch each other for a veryyyyy long time.
orion vs hercules? i give it to herc based on superior ground skills and wrestling which is in most cases the determining factor, after herc takes orion out by choking him out like he did to thor, you get the end of the picture.

Superman knows pressure points though. That alone would probably give him the nod over Thor.
Hercules is definitely the one to beat. With him I can see why some think team 1 wins. I'm leaning towards team 2 or at worst a split mainly because of Superman's pressure point ability and Hercules wrestling ability.

😱 what's with you and pressure points lately

They are used used at plot devices, not to mention superman uses his X ray vision to accomplish them

Originally posted by pym-ftw
😱 what's with you and pressure points lately

They are used used at plot devices, not to mention superman uses his X ray vision to accomplish them

Superman has applied pressure points without his x ray vision. And If Superman did ever apply x ray vision then he now knows where they are (he doesn't need to use x ray vision anymore).

Superman ever land a pressure point without his x ray vision and superspeed?

He landed them on Ultraman, whose speed is equal to his own.

So that's technically not using a speed advantage because he didn't have one.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
He landed them on Ultraman, whose speed is equal to his own.

So that's technically not using a speed advantage because he didn't have one.

He still hit Ultraman a ton of times before Ultraman reacted tho.

And it's not like pressure points are that much better... Superman could've just bashed in Ultraman's adam's apple or gouged out his eyes. It's only the best non-lethal way of dispatching people in comics.

Superman might have taken like 5 or 10 hits to completely disable Ultraman. He could've killed him in 2 if he wanted.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Superman ever land a pressure point without his x ray vision and superspeed?

Originally posted by curryman
He still hit Ultraman a ton of times before Ultraman reacted tho.

And it's not like pressure points are that much better... Superman could've just bashed in Ultraman's adam's apple or gouged out his eyes. It's only the best non-lethal way of dispatching people in comics.

Superman might have taken like 5 or 10 hits to completely disable Ultraman. He could've killed him in 2 if he wanted.