Skynet vs Matrix v.2

Originally posted by Mindship
Perhaps a more precisely worded OP in "Skynet vs Matrix v.2" would take care of any "ambiguities."

As suggested, let's see if we can make this less ambiguous.

The wolds/realities occupied by Skynet and the Matrix merge (don't ask me how, they just do). They know absolutely nothing about each other, but they decide to destroy the other team so that they'll be the sole robotic entity in control of the world.

They use their entire forces and whatever resources they have to try and destroy the other team. Who wins the war?

Skynet via:

i believe it was already established that skynet, given their ability to travel backwards through time, could easily wipe out the matrix in its infancy.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
i believe it was already established that skynet, given their ability to travel backwards through time, could easily wipe out the matrix in its infancy.

But then in this thread it's mentioned that they know nothing about each other. Therefore, Skynet has no idea how or when the Matrix started and will not know how to destroy it in the past.

Originally posted by FrothByte
As suggested, let's see if we can make this less ambiguous.

Originally posted by FrothByte
They use their entire forces and whatever resources they have to try and destroy the other team.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Skynet has no idea how or when the Matrix started...

Still, it would be easier to use/manufacture nukes. On the other hand, I still see the Matrix as the superior AI with superior hacking skills.

I give this to whoever becomes aware of the other first then plots and executes first strike.

Originally posted by Mindship

I give this to whoever becomes aware of the other first then plots and executes first strike.

a fair assessment.

Originally posted by Mindship
You honor me, sir.

We know that a common tactic for Skynet is to send back a terminator to nix the origin of an enemy. I submit it begins a systematic search for the origin of the Matrix in those years calculated to have the highest probability of an AI arising.

Still, it would be easier to use/manufacture nukes. On the other hand, I still see the Matrix as the superior AI with superior hacking skills.

I give this to whoever becomes aware of the other first then plots and executes first strike.

You're welcome. On the issue about time travel, I believe it's effectiveness (or rather it's non-effectiveness) was already discussed briefly in T3 and T4, although the best explanation I've heard yet was from the movie Time Machine. I'll try to explain this theory on why it won't work using this current situation as an example:

Skynet sees the threat of the Matrix and thus decides to send a terminator back in time to stop the matrix from ever happening. But no matter what the terminator does in the past, it can never stop the Matrix from coming into being because if there was no Matrix in the future, then Skynet would never have sent the terminator back in the past and thus there would never have been a terminator to stop the Matrix in the past. So for that terminator to have been sent to the past, the Matrix needs to exist in the future, meaning the terminator will always fail.

This was explained briefly I believe near the end of T3 (or beginning of T4 maybe?) wherein it's said that even thought the Connors killed the man responsible for making Skynet (Dyson) and destroyed the lab, it was impossible to stop the future from happening. All they did was alter the way it happened (in this case postponed judgement day).

So I suppose this theory should apply as well to this thread since it was used in the terminator movies.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You're welcome. On the issue about time travel, I believe it's effectiveness (or rather it's non-effectiveness) was already discussed briefly in T3 and T4, although the best explanation I've heard yet was from the movie Time Machine. I'll try to explain this theory on why it won't work using this current situation as an example:

Skynet sees the threat of the Matrix and thus decides to send a terminator back in time to stop the matrix from ever happening. But no matter what the terminator does in the past, it can never stop the Matrix from coming into being because if there was no Matrix in the future, then Skynet would never have sent the terminator back in the past and thus there would never have been a terminator to stop the Matrix in the past. So for that terminator to have been sent to the past, the Matrix needs to exist in the future, meaning the terminator will always fail.

This was explained briefly I believe near the end of T3 (or beginning of T4 maybe?) wherein it's said that even thought the Connors killed the man responsible for making Skynet (Dyson) and destroyed the lab, it was impossible to stop the future from happening. All they did was alter the way it happened (in this case postponed judgement day).

So I suppose this theory should apply as well to this thread since it was used in the terminator movies.

No, that's not how the time travel movie logic works (the first part of your post).

The reason why Arnold said Judgement Day was inevitable not because of some mumble jumbo timeline, but because technology was constantly advancing, even if the first precursor (or whatever you want to call it) to Skynet was destroyed (as it was in T2), it would be developed again in the future.

I guess according to this, it isn't technically inevitable. Arnold could've stayed alive in T2 and continuously assassinate those who would advance Skynet until he ran out of power. But by then maybe he would be able to find an alternative power source.

this again?

😐

Actually, the main issue here is that the two worlds somehow merge and are thrown together. I'm going to assume that they're suddenly thrown onto some alternate earth/designed planet. Their pasts could not co-exist, and therefore, the time travel bit is out AFAIC. They were created under very different circumstances, so I'm not sure how we're going to assume that only the Matrix past timeline exists.

Secondly, Skynet couldn't even kill ONE human or her son in the past. Clearly there ability to time travel isn't unlimited, and if they can't manage that, I doubt they could pull off the entire series of events necessary to stop the Matrix machines from coming into existence. I do not believe that the machines could manage to simply wipeout Skynet either given that for both timelines what has happened in the past is murky.

The humans in the Matrix and the Terminator series, as well as Skynet itself were unable to determine the sum total of events that led to their "current" existence. The time travel victory premise is entirely out of sorts in every way for this scenario. Just leave it alone.

Sticking with valid points that have already been discussed at length in the original thread, the machines wholly destroy skynet.

It's blatantly obvious that the Sentinels and other Matrix Machines outclass the Terminators in combat proficiency, so instead people are trying to tip-toe around it with time travel and such, which simply doesn't work.

Originally posted by Lestov16
tip-toe around

yeah computers applying unique abilities to strategy. pfft how gay.

i mean if skynet was that ball-less they would have just sent someone back in time to kill john conners mother instead of just taking on him and his whole sissy army!

head to head!!

LIKE A BADASS!!!!

at it'll be "pew pew pew *BOOOOOOOM*" all up in this shit and skynet dies because i said so/thread

Yeah. Anyone with a brain stem can tell that Skynet was struggling against the humans, to the point that they had to resort to time travel (which failed), whereas Zion would have been anally raped if not for Neo making the truce. Machines are clearly the bigger threat

I GET IT

you think that by avoiding time travel ability over and over eventually it wont be a legitimate factor in the topic.

are you using this forum as a test environment for some sort of newly invented brand of logic?

Originally posted by Lestov16
It's blatantly obvious that the Sentinels and other Matrix Machines outclass the Terminators in combat proficiency,

Are you sure the squids are really all that combat proficient?

In the battle for Zion, it was easily 20-to-1, Squid to exposed exo-combat-suit and they certainly didn't just overwhelm, despite the ridiculous speed and numbers advantage.

Yep Let's ignore that time travel has worked a whopping zero times for Skynet. Explain how the under-equipped humans were able to subvert the time travel, but the machines won't be able to.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Yep Let's ignore that time travel has worked a whopping [b]zero times for Skynet. Explain how the humans were able to subvert the time travel, but the machines won't be able to. [/B]

For one, will the Matrix be able to send a unit(s) back in time itself to stop the one(s) Skynet sent? Last I checked, the Matrix excels at making highly advanced VR; it's not smart enough to crack time travel.

They'll use whatever method the humans did.

Originally posted by Lestov16
They'll use whatever method the humans did.

So your premise is "The Matrix will just happen to capture a Skynet time portal". 😂 Stop scripting.

Yes. If the humans could do it, a small squad of Sentinels could do it effortlessly. You honestly think Skynet will succeed in protecting their portal from the overwhelming Squiddies, when under-equipped humans managed to seize it 😂 stop scripting