Originally posted by leonidasWhat has he done that has impressed you ?
that actually made me lol..... (sorry bada 😮 )and i agree. not sure how someone can't be impressed by henshaw. he's by far the more dangerous of his team here. hank's a monster, and against the android bill? i...don't like the hammer bros chances. at all.
Originally posted by leonidas
that actually made me lol..... (sorry bada 😮 )and i agree. not sure how someone can't be impressed by henshaw. he's by far the more dangerous of his team here. hank's a monster, and against the android bill? i...don't like the hammer bros chances. at all.
Do you think he can hack him or something?
As much as I love Henshaw as a character (and I'd like to think I'm one of KMC's bigger Cyborg Supes supporters), I am personally uncertain of his ability to "hack" Bill in a fight. Yes, Hank's got some great hacking prowess under his belt, but in his "powered" form, Bill is essentially an amalgam of Korbanite technology merged with the Odin Force. Just seems implausible to me that Hank would be able to hack or otherwise muck with Bill effectively in the midst of a fight.
That said, Hank doesn't need to hack in order to give either Thor or Bill a helluva fight.
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, actually imo there's a pretty good chance he could do so.
Well it's a pure brawl so I don't really see the danger 😄
Also, the idea that Henshaw would somehow override Bill/Odinforce is a bit out there. In my opinion that is. He might accomplish something like an attack or something though, but I don't think he would be able to wrest control of Bill.
Originally posted by curryman
Well it's a pure brawl so I don't really see the danger 😄Also, the idea that Henshaw would somehow override Bill/Odinforce is a bit out there. In my opinion that is. He might accomplish something like an attack or something though, but I don't think he would be able to wrest control of Bill.
pure brawl? ah. i didn't think henshaw's technopathy was out. and i'm not sure how how the odinforce comes into this, tbh. bill was a droid well before he became a thor. i suppose it's not impossible to think the odinforce infused him somehow when he changes, but, not sure there's really any proof of that. i don't think he became stronger as beta ray thor (he was already equal to thor). he just gained the hammer and storm control. anyway, i can get why people see it that way, just not sure i agree with it. and even if his bionics were infused, that still wouldn't mean henshaw couldn't hack him.
alas, straight h2h, team thors likely take this.
Originally posted by leonidas
pure brawl? ah. i didn't think henshaw's technopathy was out. and i'm not sure how how the odinforce comes into this, tbh. bill was a droid well before he became a thor. i suppose it's not impossible to think the odinforce infused him somehow when he changes, but, not sure there's really any proof of that. i don't think he became stronger as beta ray thor (he was already equal to thor). he just gained the hammer and storm control. anyway, i can get why people see it that way, just not sure i agree with it. and even if his bionics were infused, that still wouldn't mean henshaw couldn't hack him.alas, straight h2h, team thors likely take this.
I think the Odinforce is even more strongly ingrained in Beta Ray Bill than in Thor. This is due a couple of reasons.
- That's the magic which turns him into BRB.
- The Odinforce is what creates his "base" form.
- Odinforce was used to heal him after the world-engine poison got him.
And it's because of this that I believe Henshaw's technpathy might not allow him to control Bill or his supposed systems. Both his Thor-form and base form are now much more magic than technology.
That aside, I also think team 2 would win. Mainly because Henshaw's terrible glass jaw. It seems like he can somehow survive everything, but still gets taken out of the fight reasonably fast.
Originally posted by curryman
I think the Odinforce is even more strongly ingrained in Beta Ray Bill than in Thor. This is due a couple of reasons.- That's the magic which turns him into BRB.
- The Odinforce is what creates his "base" form.
- Odinforce was used to heal him after the world-engine poison got him.
And it's because of this that I believe Henshaw's technpathy might not allow him to control Bill or his supposed systems. Both his Thor-form and base form are now much more magic than technology.
That aside, I also think team 2 would win. Mainly because Henshaw's terrible glass jaw. It seems like he can somehow survive everything, but still gets taken out of the fight reasonably fast.
hmm, i'm with abhi on this one. the reason i think thors win is because of bizarro who has never really impressed me tbh. it would def be thors vs hank imo. hank has some ridiculous showings in h2h, even though he does have some lower ones as you've said. his battles with dd and superman (whom he has ko'd at least a couple times) are proof of that. if we bring in superspeed (even for bizarro) this could easily be viewed the other way. still, i think thor and bill are maybe a little more consistent in h2h portrayals so i'd give them the slight nod here.
and you could be right about bill's droid aspects. i don't think there is any outright proof that hank has taken over 'magically enhanced tech', but there is evidence to suggest he could take over a motherbox which is close imo, and of course he's taken control of a part of the source wall itself, also very telling. he's made yellow rings on the fly and created an oan energy source as well iirc. i'm not sure why casting his consciousness into bill would be anymore more or less difficult than any of these things. and it's true the magic turns him into beta ray thor, but....i don't know that that makes bill a 'magical' being anymore than i would call thor a 'magical' being. guys like prof x have been able to impact thor despite thor's nature, so i think it's a stretch to say hank (who is prof x level when it comes to technopathy, imo) would have trouble, when really he's doing the same thing prof x or other tp's do to thor.
then too, i'm not sure that bill's systems could be called 'magical' at all, since they were already a part of him before odin ever came around. lots of unknowns. and while you could certainly be right, i don't think it's illogical to suppose hank could as easily take control of some of bill's systems (maybe his self-destruct ability?) as he could fail at doing so.
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i'm with abhi on this one. the reason i think thors win is because of bizarro who has never really impressed me tbh. it would def be thors vs hank imo. hank has some ridiculous showings in h2h, even though he does have some lower ones as you've said. his battles with dd and superman (whom he has ko'd at least a couple times) are proof of that. if we bring in superspeed (even for bizarro) this could easily be viewed the other way. still, i think thor and bill are maybe a little more consistent in h2h portrayals so i'd give them the slight nod here.
Interesting.
I'm actually on the opposite end here. Bizarro too has his fair share of low showings, but some really high ones as well. In many ways he's struck me as a slightly more retarded Superboy Prime 🙂
Henshaw no doubt has good showings, but the recent trend has been lower imo.
I won't get into the cyborg-thing or whatever since that's just what I think 😄
Originally posted by curryman
Interesting.I'm actually on the opposite end here. Bizarro too has his fair share of low showings, but some really high ones as well. In many ways he's struck me as a slightly more retarded Superboy Prime 🙂
Henshaw no doubt has good showings, but the recent trend has been lower imo.
I won't get into the cyborg-thing or whatever since that's just what I think 😄
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i could very well be forgetting some of bizarro's higher showings so you may be right. anyway, i think we both agree that it's at least a close fight, so cheers. 🙂
Originally posted by JakeTheBankHacking is Not allowed, but I would think hacking bill would be rather easy, didnt he somehow hacked the Source Wall?.. SourceWall>OF... not that it matters here... Also No hammer for Thor or BTB.. so is a Barroom Brawl..
As much as I love Henshaw as a character (and I'd like to think I'm one of KMC's bigger Cyborg Supes supporters), I am personally uncertain of his ability to "hack" Bill in a fight. Yes, Hank's got some great hacking prowess under his belt, but in his "powered" form, Bill is essentially an amalgam of Korbanite technology merged with the Odin Force. Just seems implausible to me that Hank would be able to hack or otherwise muck with Bill effectively in the midst of a fight.That said, Hank doesn't need to hack in order to give either Thor or Bill a helluva fight.