Originally posted by the ninjak
He went down.Hellboy would've been screwed I believe if Hellboy didn't have ground to adapt.
Unfortunately none of those characters are present in this fight. Being Nuala and Sapien.
Not when all that exists in the fight is a street and Cap and his shield. Not an environment full of cogs and pieces rotating around.
Though I must admit, it was BS Hellboy sneaking up on him at that point.
He went down because he was piss drunk and had no weapon against Nuada who had a magically extending spear. It's clearly shown when they fight later on how skilled he is when he's sober.
And the same can be said for Nuada. It was him who made the move to retreat and get some breathing room in the first place. Also, Hellboy lost his sword, which Nuada couldn't have taken advantage of if they weren't on the cogs, because he could have gotten it back otherwise.
And Nuala not being in this fight is in Hellboy's favor. Because he doesn't have to worry about her getting hurt, he doesn't have to hold back.
And "A street" in New York on average has at least somewhere between a half dozen and a dozen cars, street signs, buildings, trees, light posts, and etc... It's not just a barren wasteland.
And Marwash is also correct. Hellboy has shown incredible skill and agility throughout both movies as well as a great combat mind. For example when he fought Kroenen in the 1st movie. When he fought Sammael, when he fought the forest elemental, etc..
he's never been lumbering. Just big.
Originally posted by marwash22
Hellboy is large, but calling him lumbering is mischaracterizing.
Hellboy reminds me of WWE wrestlers. Despite their size, they are actually a lot more athletic than given credit for. They're a lot more nimble than body builders and bouncers anyway, but still they are not ninjas.
Hellboy is not slow, but he is nowhere near Nuada's speed or agility nor skill even, which made him being able to match Nuada somewhat out of character. Hellboy mostly uses a brawling fighting style like we see him use against Kroenen, so seeing him easily wielding a sword against a master swordsman like Nuada had me raising my eyebrows.
Originally posted by KingD19
He went down because he was piss drunk and had no weapon against Nuada who had a magically extending spear. It's clearly shown when they fight later on how skilled he is when he's sober.
Agreed. Never disputed the fact.
Originally posted by KingD19
And the same can be said for Nuada. It was him who made the move to retreat and get some breathing room in the first place. Also, Hellboy lost his sword, which Nuada couldn't have taken advantage of if they weren't on the cogs, because he could have gotten it back otherwise
Oh cmon! he gave Hellboy the weapon in the first place. It's unimportant to the fight anyways.
Originally posted by KingD19
And Nuala not being in this fight is in Hellboy's favor. Because he doesn't have to worry about her getting hurt, he doesn't have to hold back.
Very true. But Cap doesn't know that and Nuada doesn't have a damaged arm.
Originally posted by KingD19
And "A street" in New York on average has at least somewhere between a half dozen and a dozen cars, street signs, buildings, trees, light posts, and etc... It's not just a barren wasteland.
Agreed. Though Nuada only has to focus on two whole things. A man and his shield.
Originally posted by KingD19
And Marwash is also correct. Hellboy has shown incredible skill and agility throughout both movies as well as a great combat mind. For example when he fought Kroenen in the 1st movie. When he fought Sammael, when he fought the forest elemental, etc..he's never been lumbering. Just big.
I never disagreed. Hellboy was surprisingly skilled whilst drunk and did well enough with just his fist. Cap has his shield and nothing else and sure as hell can't use a bladed weapon in the way Hellboy did in the final fight. Not like he has one anyways.
I still think Cap has a good chance if he holds onto the shield. I believe he opens himself if he throws it though.
Originally posted by KingD19
Hellboy showed how fast he could be in the 1st movie, when he was doing well against Kroenen, a guy who could easily block automatic gunfire.
If you mean this fight:
Then that's basically Hellboy using his stone arm to block Kroenen's attacks and then started punching him hard in the face. Not really a great show of agility or nimbleness but a good show of him overpowering his opponent.
Originally posted by KingD19
It showed how quickly he could react. And that's pretty damn fast considering Kroenen was blocking machinegun fire without much effort. And his speed was enough to take Kroenen off guard, who was pretty much the most badass guy in the movie aside from HB himself.
So are you telling me Hellboy should be able to block machinegun fire or slice a raindrop as well?
Kroenen was launching hit after hit at Hellboy's face, he didn't even try to hit him in different places nor do fakes nor circle him or what not. What I'm saying is, Hellboy really didn't have such a hard time blocking him simply because Kroenen fought very one-dimensional in that fight, and nothing like he did when he took on the machineguns.