Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Don't get me wrong.. this is no easy fight... But I believe Tyrant is a full tier above Mangog. Doesn't mean it will be an easy fight... but it will be a clear majority for Big T
i can mostly agree with this. the only thing in question is mangog's ability to absorb hate. he was going to be pretty well above odin i think at one point, so if he could absorb hate from tyrant and continue to gain power, this could be very close indeed....
Originally posted by Horrificus
In Mangog/Surtur, you just stated that Mangog is a single good showing.Your own words.
You obviously haven't read all of his story arcs and are just throwing lowball statements around.
I have Mighty Thor #157 and #250 in my collection. I have Mangog's recent appearances under Jurgens. There's also the Thunderstrike issues which I've seen as well. I won't count the Marvel Fanfare issue where Mangog battles the Surfer. That's not in continuity as far as I can tell.
At least, back when Mangog made his first appearances, his character and threat level were unique.
Tyrant is one of the most absolutely useless, redundant, unoriginal characters to be created in the last 20 years. His story makes no sense and his abilities/showings do nothing to support the attempted fluff for him.
In many ways, Tyrant is simply another, less threatening version of Mangog. And, by "less threatening", I mean that Mangog was a much bigger threat to Odin, than Tyrant is to Galactus. And that is shown in their appearances.
Mangog shows up, with his history and begins to run amok as the stories attempt to unfold past events and the threat level.
Odin inadvertently CREATED Mangog.
Mangog can actually FEED off of his enemies.
Hmmm... sound familiar? 😆 Hey! That's Tyrant's story too!
Only, Tyrant came along many, many years later. And, in Tyrant's version, Galactus was never crapping his pants terrified of Tyrant.
So, somebody got the idea to combine the ideas of Mangog and Korvac to create Tyrant. Yay.
I can go on, so, really, it probably isn't a good idea to attack character quality in this particular thread.
Originally posted by HorrificusAnd, out of respect for my opposition, I purposely left out any similarities that Tyrant has with Rapunzel.
At least, back when Mangog made his first appearances, his character and threat level were unique.Tyrant is one of the most absolutely useless, redundant, unoriginal characters to be created in the last 20 years. His story makes no sense and his abilities/showings do nothing to support the attempted fluff for him.
In many ways, Tyrant is simply another, less threatening version of Mangog. And, by "less threatening", I mean that Mangog was a much bigger threat to Odin, than Tyrant is to Galactus. And that is shown in their appearances.
Mangog shows up, with his history and begins to run amok as the stories attempt to unfold past events and the threat level.
Odin inadvertently CREATED Mangog.
Mangog can actually FEED off of his enemies.
Hmmm... sound familiar? 😆 Hey! That's Tyrant's story too!
Only, Tyrant came along many, many years later. And, in Tyrant's version, Galactus was never crapping his pants terrified of Tyrant.
So, somebody got the idea to combine the ideas of Mangog and Korvac to create Tyrant. Yay.
I can go on, so, really, it probably isn't a good idea to attack character quality in this particular thread.
Ooops.
Mangog's power output wasn't above high herald. His durability was skyfather level though.
I don't see Mangog able to hurt Tyrant and I see Tyrant having a hard time hurting Mangog. But using the writer's notion of a billion billion beings (while Thor thinking he was exaggerating) then I would say Tyrant wins.
Originally posted by h1a8Of course his power output was much higher than high herald. It was just usually being channeled into his physical offenses and defenses, a la Zeus beating the green off of Hulk a while back.
Mangog's power output wasn't above high herald. His durability was skyfather level though.I don't see Mangog able to hurt Tyrant and I see Tyrant having a hard time hurting Mangog. But using the writer's notion of a billion billion beings (while Thor thinking he was exaggerating) then I would say Tyrant wins.
Because Mangog wielded his power in this way, it made him immune to physical and energy attacks from Thor and THE skyfather. Also, he was able to knock Thor out several times and Odin twice, one time being an Odin at full power. Mangog also one-shotted Kartag the Keeper, a character that wielded the power of the Twilight Well, which was the twin of the well that Odin draws his power from.
These are not high-herald or even skyfather level feats. One-shatting and terrorizing characters of these levels is way up there. (and yes, I meant to type "shatting" 😄 )
The few times Mangog used his power in other ways, he was able to casually do things like imprison a fully powered Loki in "amber" and turn Asgardian Gods into pigs.
But, he was also capable of energy projection and there were hints as to him teleporting.
This is a character whose abilities and powers have never been fully explored.
Originally posted by HorrificusMost high heralds have koed other high heralds. Some have one shot their peers before. Mangog has hit Thor several times without a ko. Look at how Thor was koed though. He fell off Mangog's back to the ground and the ground koed him. Classic Thor was so inconsistent it's pathetic.
Of course his power output was much higher than high herald. It was just usually being channeled into his physical offenses and defenses, a la Zeus beating the green off of Hulk a while back.Because Mangog wielded his power in this way, it made him immune to physical and energy attacks from Thor and THE skyfather. Also, he was able to knock Thor out several times and Odin twice, one time being an Odin at full power. Mangog also one-shotted Kartag the Keeper, a character that wielded the power of the Twilight Well, which was the twin of the well that Odin draws his power from.
These are not high-herald or even skyfather level feats. One-shatting and terrorizing characters of these levels is way up there. (and yes, I meant to type "shatting" 😄 )
The few times Mangog used his power in other ways, he was able to casually do things like imprison a fully powered Loki in "amber" and turn Asgardian Gods into pigs.
But, he was also capable of energy projection and there were hints as to him teleporting.
This is a character whose abilities and powers have never been fully explored.
Mangog never koed Odin (at full power). The keeper of the well has no good feats to say that one koing him is above high herald. I would put any high herald above him.
Again, everyone jobbed to Mangog. They were koed falling off bridges and into water, etc. Mangog said he had the power of a billion billion beings yet in canon Thor said he was exaggerating (after Thor fought him). Turning asgardians into pigs and encasing Loki in amber isn't proving his power output is above high herald level.
Originally posted by h1a8Too many words and I'm tired. So, I am guessing you agree with me. Good! 😄
Most high heralds have koed other high heralds. Some have one shot their peers before. Mangog has hit Thor several times without a ko. Look at how Thor was koed though. He fell off Mangog's back to the ground and the ground koed him. Classic Thor was so inconsistent it's pathetic.Mangog never koed Odin (at full power). The keeper of the well has no good feats to say that one koing him is above high herald. I would put any high herald above him.
Again, everyone jobbed to Mangog. They were koed falling off bridges and into water, etc. Mangog said he had the power of a billion billion beings yet in canon Thor said he was exaggerating (after Thor fought him). Turning asgardians into pigs and encasing Loki in amber isn't proving his power output is above high herald level.
Originally posted by HorrificusWell, Galactus won and lost to Tyrant. Mangog won once against Odin and lost a couple times.
In many ways, Tyrant is simply another, less threatening version of Mangog. And, by "less threatening", I mean that Mangog was a much bigger threat to Odin, than Tyrant is to Galactus. And that is shown in their appearances.
Tyrant's story also ended with a severely weakened Galactus, and everyone getting blasted by the UN... so there's that.
Plus, it's also Galactus