It is equally as hilarious that Dooku was unable to sense the presence of DOZENS of Jedi in his local vicinity. Given that most of them were fodder, there is no feasible way that all of them would've been able to mask their presence from someone as powerful as the good Count.
Originally posted by Arhael
There is nothing wrong with that.
Large crowd can easily overshadow a bunch of Jedi keeping low profile. Maybe Dooku could notice it but he would need to properly focus on presences surrounding him, which he didn't. And still it would be unlikely.
I agree,,Dooku might have felt that he was in no serious danger.
Maybe he only felt a slight disturbance....a tremor.
Maybe Jango was closer.
Maybe he thought in order to get to Dooku he had to contain the fastest guns in the galaxy...
I would have put my Saber to Jango's throat too....
Just to talk to Dooku into a peaceful negotiation of releaseing his hostages.
Originally posted by Arhael
There is nothing wrong with that.
Large crowd can easily overshadow a bunch of Jedi keeping low profile. Maybe Dooku could notice it but he would need to properly focus on presences surrounding him, which he didn't. And still it would be unlikely.
It is explained like 10 years ago in the PS2 game Bounty Hunter of why Jango was chosen.
Dooku's ex padawan, Komari Vosa started a spice ring which ticked off Sidious for whatever reason. He sent Dooku to kill her but instead he says he'll kill two birds with one stone by starting a bounty hunter competition to find and kill her. Jango was one of these who participated and the game brings a cool and unique Mandalorian narrative. You also see the origins of Zam.
At the end of the game, Jango kills Vosa and Dooku gives him an offer to be cloned for 5 million credits. Or you could've easily looked up Jango's wiki page instead of typing out a long overdue PT sucks thread..
Originally posted by Vensai
Yes there is. The fact that 200 jedi escaped his notice shows that Dooku's senses are pretty pathetic based on the showing. It's incredible that he never got assassinated during the CW considering how Windu and a jedi army were able to sneak up on him. Force users are supposed to have rudimentary "I sense something amiss" powers, which Dooku seems to be lacking. It's worse when you note that Dooku is supposed to be the second strongest sith lord at the time.
In Tyrant's test Luke was on an empty frozen planet and felt nothing. But at the end of the novel, when he started actively groping through planet, he finally sensed life presence.
Regardless, Jedi don't have to be powerful to master concieling Force presence technique. It's a standard technique that can be learned by any average Force user. Even, if some of them weren't good at hiding presence, there were thousands other presences muffling their presence.
As of main topic the reason why Mace didn't put saber to Dooku's throat is quite simple. Jango Fett was much closer. Putting saber to Dooku's throat would leave Windu's back exposed to Jango Fett, which would be very unwise move. Of course there was an option to assassinate Dooku but Jedi are not assassins.
The problem is force users can be locators. There are countless examples of force users "sensing" another's presence. Darth Vader wasn't trying to sense his former master's presence on the Death Star and yet he still did. There's no proof that Dooku didn't try. The fact that Vader could sense his former master without any effort and Dooku was utterly oblivious to the fact that 200 jedi were in the stadium and his old friend Windu was right behind him looks utterly ridiculous.
And Mace's actions don't excuse the fact that, as he noted in Shatterpoint, he had a chance to end the war then and there, but failed. He also has no significant feats to suggest he has skill in hiding his presence.
I wondered about this too and decided it was part of an overall plan on Dooku's part- capture the Jedi, place them in a public arena to draw the attention of the remaining Jedi, gather them all together to either wipe them out or turn them to his cause.
Count Dooku: Brave, but, foolish, my old Jedi friend. You are impossibly outnumbered.
Mace Windu: I don't think so.
Count Dooku: We'll see.
Only Yoda arriving with a flotilla of Clones saved the Jedis' asses.
There was definitely some other plot going on in the AoTC storyline, you had a scene where Dooku admits to ObiWan that there is a Sith in the Senate:
Count Dooku: What if I told you that the Republic was now under the control of a dark lord of the Sith?
Obi-Wan: No, that's not possible. The Jedi would sense it.
Count Dooku: The Dark Side has clouded their vision. Hundreds of senators are now under the influence of a Sith lord called Darth Sidious.
Obi-Wan: I don't believe you
Why would he do this? Even if his goal was to cause confusion, he gave the Jedi the clue they needed to start figuring out the plot against the Republic. We also see Dooku used as a tool in RoTS when he captures Palpatine and is sacrificed to help pull Anakin to the Dark Side. How could Dooku allow this to happen? It's like he's fighting against Sidius and helping him at the same time, ineffective at both.
Originally posted by KickballjediYeah, it's almost as if... as if... these movies, you know...
Why would he do this? Even if his goal was to cause confusion, he gave the Jedi the clue they needed to start figuring out the plot against the Republic. We also see Dooku used as a tool in RoTS when he captures Palpatine and is sacrificed to help pull Anakin to the Dark Side. How could Dooku allow this to happen? It's like he's fighting against Sidius and helping him at the same time, ineffective at both.
don't make any... you know, sense. Right? It's like... there was sense, b-but then... you know, someone... some--took it away, you know?
Hiding your presence is a very basic technique. Palpatine successfully hid himself from Plagueis without any training at all, its just something a force sensitive learns to do early on. Plagueis was shocked at his overall power but he didnt doubt the idea that someone that young without training would be capable of it.
Force users seem to have less control over what they sense than most people think, for example Vader clearly sensed Luke on Endor and Palpatine was surprised that he couldnt. Like trying to see the future the force seems to give out what info it wants when it wants. Dooku may have sensed a general light side presence but assumed it was Anakin and Obi Wan calling on it to try and survive the arena fights.
As for Mace, I think he knew he was lucky to get as close as he did and didnt want to risk Dooku sensing him. He picked the most important guy within reach rather than trying to get closer to Dooku himself and being spotted and fired upon. It wasnt the advantage he wanted but it was the safest way to go about it. I also think he was still kind of shocked to see Dooku had fallen so far and wasnt ready to just walk in and cut him down.
Re: why didn't Mace put the saber to Dooku's throat..
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
and instead put it to Jango's neck.. That just makes no sense to me... Not only was Jango WAY less of a target to Mace than Dooku.. he probably didn't even know who he was. Further, it seems odd that Dooku didn't sense a MASS amount of Jedi there or even Mace... People he should've been very familiar with and sensed. To make it worse... and another thing I never got.. When Mace did have Jango by the balls.. Dooku never reacted or tried to draw his saber.. Mace could've easily struck him down.. Did you know that Mace would never try such or move?
Windu did not know that Dooku was a sith lord. Remember that they were old friends. He probably assumed, also, that Dooku was still in a Jedi-mentality and would feel protective towards Fett.
Originally posted by Arhael
No it isn't. Force users are not locators. They can sense things, if they try to.
That's not really true. There's a large precedent, even within the movies showing that Jedi can intuitively "sense" shit through the force. Sideous sensing Anakin about to get son'd on the other side of the Galaxy, immediately after fighting a grueling duel against Yoda. Obi-Wan sensing the destruction of Alderaan. Qui-Gon being enamored with Anakin even before realizing his force potential, etc. In fact, you could argue that the majority of the time, force users tend to sense that shit is about to go down intuitively rather then through some kind of active "force radar".
So yeah, Dooku not realizing what-so-ever that the guy selling him a hot-dog was in fact one of 200 jedi in that arena is kind of retarded.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Or it was just a CIS moment for the sake of the plot.
I don't actually see anything wrong with this CIS, since one of the plot points of the Prequels is that the Jedi are blind and arrogant; earlier in AotC, Mace Windu and Ki-adi-Mundi obviously still hold a high opinion of Dooku and believe him to simply be a political nut.