Originally posted by abhilegend
It doesn't as that feat isn't impressive because of planet busting. Its impressive because it dis-integrated several of hulk's past peers.7 punches and a huge sucker-shot you mean?
Certainly not that impressive.
The striking wasn't as impressive as the way he just raised his arm and blocked the point black PC blast.
Originally posted by zopzopWelcome, welcome, to project: "Gamma Shadow". Have a seat and let's talk. 😄
That's cute and all, but that's what makes the Hulk/RShe Hulk AoE irrelevant. So where does that leave us? The "Herald Melting" 'power' of Hulk/RShe Hulk's showdown.The "heralds" that were melted by the AoE attack, which is what Naija Boy is playing up, were F-list losers.
Thanos has killed HIGH HERALDS like the Surfer with 7 punches.
Thanos wins this.
I knew you would eventually step over the line, to MY world! 🙄
You have made Powerful enemies this day.
Well, maybe not Powerful, but Dangerous.
OK, maybe not all that Dangerous, but Intelligent.
OK, they aren't Intelligent at all, but they are now your enemies.
They will spread lies and confusion amongst your peers as they secretly dream of large, green buttocks.
But, they are weak and they can be defeated. Here is what we shall do...
😆
Originally posted by Naija boy
Well to put it bluntly, Your analogy completely fails because a candle going out is not an accurate indicator of level of force. A clap by virtue of the movement of the open palms through the air, pushes air in the direction of the candle thereby blowing it out. The candles goes out because the air pushes the heat away from the candle thereby reducing it to below ignition temperature and putting out the flame..That has to do with the surface area of the hands and the proper angle to get the air to move in the proper direction. Conversely, a handshake is a continuous application of force between two objects (hands). The disturbance in the air created by the clap is not created by the handshake by virtue of the nature of the interaction, that does not necessarily mean less force was applied.
The thing you don't understand is that I never said that Thanos and drax applied lesser force. On the contrary, they applied greater force than that which was applied by Hulk and Betty colliding by just grappling.
It's easier to create greater disturbance, by colliding objects than by grappling. Hence, Clap and handshake analogy. A thunder clap, or 2 bodies colliding against each other causes disturbance by air and sound.
Now consider how much force must be applied to grappling in order to cause the same amount of disturbance and collateral damage.
I'll use your "light" clap and strong man example, no matter how lightly you clap you will create a greater disturbance than 2 strongmen grappling.
Now think about it, how much force the strongmen need to apply in order for them to do what you did with a clap by just grappling. That's what Thanos and Drax did.
In essence, hulk and Betty clapped (collided) to blow out a planet and Thanos and drax clenched their fist (grappled) to do the same.
So thanos and drax displayed more strength and force than WBH and Betty in their respective feats.
Originally posted by Diesldude
The thing you don't understand is that I never said that Thanos and drax applied lesser force. On the contrary, they applied greater force than that created by Hulk and Betty colliding by just grappling.It's easier to create greater disturbance, by colliding objects than by grappling. Hence, Clap and handshake analogy. A thunder clap, or 2 bodies colliding against each other causes disturbance by air and sound.
Now consider how much force must be applied to grappling in order to cause the same amount of disturbance and collateral damage.
I'll use your "light" clap and strong man example, no matter how lightly you clap you will create a greater disturbance than 2 strongmen grappling.
Now think about it, how much force the strongmen need to apply in order for them to do what you did with a clap by just grappling. That's what Thanos and Drax did.
In essence, hulk and Betty clapped (collided) to blow out a planet and Thanos and drax clenched their fist (grappled) to do the same.
So thanos and drax displayed more strength and force than WBH and Betty in their respective feats.
Originally posted by Diesldude
The thing you don't understand is that I never said that Thanos and drax applied lesser force. On the contrary, they applied greater force than that created by Hulk and Betty colliding by just grappling.It's easier to create greater disturbance, by colliding objects than by grappling. Hence, Clap and handshake analogy. A thunder clap, or 2 bodies colliding against each other causes disturbance by air and sound.
Now consider how much force must be applied to grappling in order to cause the same amount of disturbance and collateral damage.
I'll use your "light" clap and strong man example, no matter how lightly you clap you will create a greater disturbance than 2 strongmen grappling.
Now think about it, how much force the strongmen need to apply in order for them to do what you did with a clap by just grappling. That's what Thanos and Drax did.
In essence, hulk and Betty clapped (collided) to blow out a planet and Thanos and drax clenched their fist (grappled) to do the same.
So thanos and drax displayed more strength and force than WBH and Betty in their respective feats.
I understand fully well. Ill break it down. The issue remains that the analogy is indisputably terrible from the get go. I know you never said thanos and Drax applied lesser force. The main point is that a candle being blown out is NOT an accurate mutual indicator of force when comparing a handshake and a clap and thus invalidates the whole analogy. A candle being blown out as I said has to do with air pushing away the heat from the flame when the clap is done at the right angle and less to do with amount of force used than the method in which it is applied (through a swift clap as opposed to continuous grapple). The method of force application in this case is what is significant as it is the type/nature of disturbance created, ( air) that induces the gaseous reaction that puts the flame out in the case of the clap, and the lack of that same type of disturbance that prevents the flame from going out in the case of the handshake. Hence the flame being blown out is not a phenomenon that you can use to do a comparison regarding the amount force applied in the handshake vs that applied in a clap Rather a better example would be seeing what could actually damage the candle itself, as that would actually involve causing an object (the candle) to undergo change or deform and where we would actually be able to guage the amount of force in the two respective incidents.
Similarly, In the part of my post you didnt quote, i mentioned how an accurate mutual indicator of the amount force was the damage done to the planets. Now while rapid collisions, do create disturbances in air and sound, its irrelevant as whether or not the planet gets deformed/damaged in one instance vs another is directly dependent on the [B]amount of force applied and total area of application irrespective of the method through which it is applied[/B] . Hence whether it be through the air or soundwaves it is irrelevant as the important thing is the actual amount of force acting on the planet divided by the area on which it is acting. Now, in this scenario, we dont know the respective sizes of the planets, but for the sake of argument and comparison I will assume they were exactly the same. With area of application equalized, the only relevant point of difference will be force applied.
Now the fact that Hulks feat took place miles in the air with no contact with the ground means that After acting on Hulk and Betty, who are the two initial objects the force acts upon, the force had to travel through the air in a huge area of outward radiation (inefficient) before reaching the characters involved as well as the planets surface. However, because it was a collision that happened in midair, the force contained in that outwardly radiating shockwave would have dissipated exponentially when it finally does make contact with the planet and thus be astronomically less than what was actually in the first collision. Conversely, Thanos and drax were on the ground already, and the nature of their interaction (a continuous grapple) also means that the forces area of outward radiation would be far smaller. This means that by the time the force from their grapple acts on the planet it would have dissipated far far far far less than in the case of Hulk and Betty as the force application is more efficient AND the distance it travells is far far less.
Ergo, and in simpler terms, Hulks feat is definitively and considerably more impressive.
Originally posted by Naija boy
I understand fully well. Ill break it down. The issue remains that the analogy is indisputably terrible from the get go. I know you never said thanos and Drax applied lesser force. The main point is that a candle being blown out is NOT an accurate mutual indicator of force when comparing a handshake and a clap and thus invalidates the whole analogy. A candle being blown out as I said has to do with air pushing away the heat from the flame when the clap is done at the right angle and less to do with amount of force used than the method in which it is applied (through a swift clap as opposed to continuous grapple). The method of force application in this case is what is significant as it is the type/nature of disturbance created, ( air) that induces the gaseous reaction that puts the flame out in the case of the clap, and the lack of that same type of disturbance that prevents the flame from going out in the case of the handshake. [B]Hence the flame being blown out is not a phenomenon that you can use to do a comparison regarding the amount force applied in the handshake vs that applied in a clap Rather a better example would be seeing what could actually damage the candle itself, as that would actually involve causing an object (the candle) to undergo change or deform and where we would actually be able to guage the amount of force in the two respective incidents.Similarly, In the part of my post you didnt quote, i mentioned how an accurate mutual indicator of the amount force was the damage done to the planets. Now while rapid collisions, do create disturbances in air and sound, its irrelevant as whether or not the planet gets deformed/damaged in one instance vs another is directly dependent on the [B]amount of force applied and total area of application irrespective of the method through which it is applied[/B] . Hence whether it be through the air or soundwaves it is irrelevant as the important thing is the actual amount of force acting on the planet divided by the area on which it is acting. Now, in this scenario, we dont know the respective sizes of the planets, but for the sake of argument and comparison I will assume they were exactly the same. With area of application equalized, the only relevant point of difference will be force applied.
Now the fact that Hulks feat took place miles in the air with no contact with the ground means that After acting on Hulk and Betty, who are the two initial objects the force acts upon, the force had to travel through the air in a huge area of outward radiation (inefficient) before reaching the characters involved as well as the planets surface. However, because it was a collision that happened in midair, the force contained in that outwardly radiating shockwave would have dissipated exponentially when it finally does make contact with the planet and thus be astronomically less than what was actually in the first collision. Conversely, Thanos and drax were on the ground already, and the nature of their interaction (a continuous grapple) also means that the forces area of outward radiation would be far smaller. This means that by the time the force from their grapple acts on the planet it would have dissipated far far far far less than in the case of Hulk and Betty as the force application is more efficient AND the distance it travells is far far less.
Ergo, and in simpler terms, Hulks feat is definitively and considerably more impressive. [/B]
Originally posted by abhilegend
It doesn't as that feat isn't impressive because of planet busting. Its impressive because it dis-integrated several of hulk's past peers.7 punches and a huge sucker-shot you mean?
Certainly not that impressive.
And that was some sucker shot. The Surfer instantly recovered and went on the offensive only to be casually beaten to death.
Thanos wins.
Originally posted by zopzop
I'm aware of those scans.And that was some sucker shot. The Surfer instantly recovered and went on the offensive only to be casually beaten to death.
Thanos wins.
So? He still sucker-shotted surfer. Killing surfer with 7 shots and a huge sucker attacks isn't impressive like vaporizing three top tiers via indirect means.
He certainly doesn't wins here.
Originally posted by Diesldude
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Ok is it easier to blow out a candle by clapping near it or by holding someone's hand and squeezing with all your might?
Go and reread the posT and make an effort to grasp the concepts therein. It contains a detailed explanation regarding the faultiness,irrelevance and futility of the reasoning behind this line of questioning and the use this whole candle analogy in the first place. It is misplaced and based off of a lack of understanding of basic physical concepts and interactions. It does not matter whether it easier or harder to blow out a candle by squeezing yur hands or by clapping near it because blowing out a candle is not dependent on the amount of force used in one vs the other. Rather it relates to the method of force application and type of disturbance created. In a case where we are talking about damage to the planet however, amount of force applied and total area of application are what's important. Hence your candle example is absolutely inapplicable and not in the slightest capacity analogous to the sitaution at hand which involves environmental damage/ planetary deformation. That's the simplest way I can
put it and nothing more needs to be said. 🙂
Originally posted by Naija boyum... Oh Yeah?! 😕
Go and reread the posT and make an effort to grasp the concepts therein. It contains a detailed explanation regarding the faultiness,irrelevance and futility of the reasoning behind this line of questioning and the use this whole candle analogy in the first place. It is misplaced and based off of a lack of understanding of basic physical concepts and interactions. It does not matter whether it easier or harder to blow out a candle by squeezing yur hands or by clapping near it because blowing out a candle is not dependent on the amount of force used in one vs the other. Rather it relates to the method of force application and type of disturbance created. In a case where we are talking about damage to the planet however, amount of force applied and total area of application are what's important. Hence your candle example is absolutely inapplicable and not in the slightest capacity analogous to the sitaution at hand which involves environmental damage/ planetary deformation. That's the simplest way I can
put it and nothing more needs to be said. 🙂
Originally posted by Horrificusyes I seen this before....but ironically the high heralds melt but the pieces of rock in the dark dimension don't 😱
The Nature of the Dark Dimension-Dr. Strange- "The laws of reality you know are altered or negated here!"
Silver Surfer- "The matter of this dimension would seem to be more fragile than that with which we are accustomed."
Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, but Thanos did it with his [b]FISTS.See the difference? [/B]
how does that change anything? All it would mean is that Thanos can't hit harder with his fists than a high herald can with his weapon.
The feat isn't that special as far as striking. That the surfer is a non factor to him is special, but killing with 7 amped blows and a massive cheap shot isn't something impossible from another high herald.
Originally posted by Diesldudehulk and betty would be the combined size of a hydrogen molecule for your analogy to make any sense. That molecule sized duo then claps hoping to blow out the flame 🙂
why not, the hulk & Betty collision made a shock wave, thanos and drax were in a mercy contest and the planet started to crumble.
Originally posted by Naija boyYou know you ain't as smart as you pretend to be or you're just refusing to accept that you made a mistake. Of course a handshake, grappling, folded fist is not going to cause a disturbance similar to a clap, if at all. But in comics it did cause a disturbance when thanos and drax grappled, that disturbance was enough to destroy the planet. Creating that disturbance required more strenght than what hulk and betty used to perform their feat. Now, you can bring all the real world science or use as many fancy words as you like but the fact of the matter is that grappling created enough disturbance to destroy the planet. There is no point to argue here, I know you won't have any rest until you get the last word so spin whatever you want to make yourself sleep easier. You can take another route to make a case for hulk by explaining what really happened between thanos and drax, but you won't do that either because that will lower your boy thano's feat. I'm done with with this argument. Good day 🙂
Go and reread the posT and make an effort to grasp the concepts therein. It contains a detailed explanation regarding the faultiness,irrelevance and futility of the reasoning behind this line of questioning and the use this whole candle analogy in the first place. It is misplaced and based off of a lack of understanding of basic physical concepts and interactions. It does not matter whether it easier or harder to blow out a candle by squeezing yur hands or by clapping near it because blowing out a candle is not dependent on the amount of force used in one vs the other. Rather it relates to the method of force application and type of disturbance created. In a case where we are talking about damage to the planet however, amount of force applied and total area of application are what's important. Hence your candle example is absolutely inapplicable and not in the slightest capacity analogous to the sitaution at hand which involves environmental damage/ planetary deformation. That's the simplest way I can
put it and nothing more needs to be said. 🙂
