MONGUL jr vs quasar

Originally posted by Golgo13
It's been stated numerous times throughout GL history that it's unique energy. Even in John's run as well. I'm sure Quasar can drain some of it, but Mongul, Hal, Sinestro, etc.., can will him to stop. Just like Hal has done so in the past.

Stated numerous times as being unique? Or maybe just unknown. Prior to Hal it was deemed magical.. then later almost tech based...

The energy you speak of was (as far as I'm concerned) defined or even retconned if you like, during the kyle rayner era in order to separate the science of the green lantern rings from the magical green flame and starheart that Alan Scott uses.

And btw. if its so unique... how would the tech based weaponer have created sinestro's yellow ring that the others are based on...

And when has Mongul faced off against someone that was trying to drain him, and willed it to stop.

Originally posted by rotiart
Stated numerous times as being unique? Or maybe just unknown. Prior to Hal it was deemed magical.. then later almost tech based...

The energy you speak of was (as far as I'm concerned) defined or even retconned if you like, during the kyle rayner era in order to separate the science of the green lantern rings from the magical green flame and starheart that Alan Scott uses.

And btw. if its so unique... how would the tech based weaponer have created sinestro's yellow ring that the others are based on...

And when has Mongul faced off against someone that was trying to drain him, and willed it to stop.

Yes, unique as in not directly from the EM spectrum, but something more esoteric. You're right about one thing, though, GL's energy has been changed from time to time, but it's generally more emotional/will, which is how someone like Hal can will himself from stopping others from draining his ring. He has been drained before, but usually he can counter that by willing the other to stop, such as Dr. Light.

Weaponer has experience in dealing with the yellow energy/rings as the Weaponers of Qward were the main beings to actually form the yellow rings in the first place.

Johns made the emotional spectrum, so all of that "hard light" and "plasma" is basically null and void at this point.

@golgo okay assuming you could will it to be stopped...

When has Mongol ever shown that in combat

@pr. Im confused are you saying that lantern energy is now unquantifiable?

I don't really see it much of a retcon rather than an overblown explanation of the origin of their powers and it's catalyst.

In order to be an actual retcon, a feat needs to be shown where an energy manipulator cannot do something similar to what happened in the past with explanation that it would be impossible to do so.

But does it really matter, unless the emotional spectrum isn't energy or negative zone/antimatter energy, Quasars powers should work as advertised.

Originally posted by rotiart
@golgo okay assuming you could will it to be stopped...

When has Mongol ever shown that in combat

@pr. Im confused are you saying that lantern energy is now unquantifiable?

I don't think Mongul has on panel, but it's just my personal opinion that he can, since rings work on will and fear,whatever.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm not being a dick, but have you read ALL of Quasar. I'm asking because not a lot of people have. Then they get kooky in here when I talk about him being a "boss".

Quasar is probably the most powerful "sleeper" in all of comics. His feats are crazy, his powers are off the chart and his enemies have been some very bad guys. But, he has also been written a couple times where he got easily beaten in ways that should never have even hurt him.

I'm not totally sure what they are doing with him right now, or what his power-set is. But, his norm was complete and absolute control of the entire electromagnetic spectrum. He can control, pretty much all power and energy, except for antimatter. He has shut down high level characters, including the Watcher, within seconds.

He has also had cosmic awareness.

His light constructs are the weakest power he has. Even though I have actually posted scans of some of the most powerful characters in 616, hammering and blasting and cutting away at his shields, with no effect, while he holds a casual conversation.

Speed, opening, closing and traveling through dimensional doors that he makes himself.

I'm missing a lot too. Too tired right now.

Don't get me wrong, Mongul Jr. as a Nightmare and Sinestro, well... you just hit on one of my "Secret Favorites".

As a matter of fact, I think that in many cases, there aren't a lot of characters that could really beat a Sinestro that is intent on winning. He is the Hal Jordan of the bad guys.

sum it up in one word ....... vulcan

To address Horifficus's post a while ago, didn't Mongul beat Sinestro straight up with no real problems? If it wasn't for Sinestro's secret in the ring, he would have died.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
sum it up in one word ....... vulcan

Originally posted by rotiart

When has Mongol ever shown that in combat

Has anyone tried? If no one has then perhaps they know it's not a valid strategy. If no one has then this can't be used as a valid strategy.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
sum it up in one word ....... vulcan

lol no.

Originally posted by rotiart
@golgo okay assuming you could will it to be stopped...

When has Mongol ever shown that in combat

@pr. Im confused are you saying that lantern energy is now unquantifiable?

it's a lot harder to define. plus, hal Jordan flat out outwilled someone that was trying to control his energy, and retook control.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
I don't really see it much of a retcon rather than an overblown explanation of the origin of their powers and it's catalyst.

In order to be an actual retcon, a feat needs to be shown where an energy manipulator cannot do something similar to what happened in the past with explanation that it would be impossible to do so.

But does it really matter, unless the emotional spectrum isn't energy or negative zone/antimatter energy, Quasars powers should work as advertised.

they retconned the actual power composition.

green lantern rings now use willpower given form as energy.

it's not the plasma or hard light that was used pre-johns. it's arguably one of his biggest rectons.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol no.

it's a lot harder to define. plus, hal Jordan flat out outwilled someone that was trying to control his energy, and retook control.

they retconned the actual power composition.

green lantern rings now use willpower given form as energy.

it's not the plasma or hard light that was used pre-johns. it's arguably one of his biggest rectons.

Again the effects might be different and catalyst for producing it might be different but we can't really tell for sure that it's immune to conventional energy manipulation. There is simply no feat at the moment that would solidly prove that so it really doesn't matter.

Even Kyle once mentioned it as "emotional electromagnetic spectrum", electromagnetic, as in energy Quasar will exploit.

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Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Again the effects might be different and catalyst for producing it might be different but we can't really tell for sure that it's immune to conventional energy manipulation. There is simply no feat at the moment that would solidly prove that so it really doesn't matter.

Even Kyle once mentioned it as "emotional electromagnetic spectrum", electromagnetic, as in energy Quasar will exploit.

It's just not EM energy, because if it were they would just say EM energy. And ring users can will themselves to counter energy drainers, manipulators, because essentially that is what they do as well.

There isn't enough evidence to suggest energy drain/manipulation is a viable tactic for Quasar to use against Mongul Jr. It might or it might not work just as much as Mongul might or might not be able to counter.

Originally posted by Golgo13
It's just not EM energy, because if it were they would just say EM energy. And ring users can will themselves to counter energy drainers, manipulators, because essentially that is what they do as well.

So.... you are going to attribute all ring user feats to Mongul? even if he's never shown himself to do anything like those feats? uh... and if the ring energy was its own specific energy... how have

superman prime pretty much was able to metabolize the lantern energies.

takion, photon, and dr light been able to manipulate it.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
There isn't enough evidence to suggest energy drain/manipulation is a viable tactic for Quasar to use against Mongul Jr. It might or it might not work just as much as Mongul might or might not be able to counter.

thats entirely true. But a certain poster is trying to make it seem like mongul would be impervious to an energy drain attack, when rings themselves have only a one day charge, have been shown to be drained before, and Quasar has completely drained even herald level beings in seconds of all their energy.

Originally posted by rotiart
So.... you are going to attribute all ring user feats to Mongul? even if he's never shown himself to do anything like those feats? uh... and if the ring energy was its own specific energy... how have

superman prime pretty much was able to metabolize the lantern energies.

takion, photon, and dr light been able to manipulate it.

thats entirely true. But a certain poster is trying to make it seem like mongul would be impervious to an energy drain attack, when rings themselves have only a one day charge, have been shown to be drained before, and Quasar has completely drained even herald level beings in seconds of all their energy.

Dr. Light hasn't manipulated yellow energy from my memory, but he manipulated the light aspect of ALL things, including magic, so he's pretty uber. When has Takion done so?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Dr. Light hasn't manipulated yellow energy from my memory, but he manipulated the light aspect of ALL things, including magic, so he's pretty uber. When has Takion done so?

Takion weakened the energy fields that Kyle's ring uses, though I can't remember the issue.

Btw not all ring users have the same feats. So you can't say that just cause Hal can do it, doesn't mean Mongul can, and vice versa. Just like you wouldn't give superman's feats to any other Kryptonian.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Again the effects might be different and catalyst for producing it might be different but we can't really tell for sure that it's immune to conventional energy manipulation. There is simply no feat at the moment that would solidly prove that so it really doesn't matter.

Even Kyle once mentioned it as "emotional electromagnetic spectrum", electromagnetic, as in energy Quasar will exploit.

the hal feat that I named would be the feat you're looking for.

and I never said it wasn't an emotional electromagnetic spectrum. you could certainly argue that it could be drained. imo, there's just an equally valid argument that it can't if the wearer is wilful enough.