WWH vs Helspont

Originally posted by 753
this is absurd. he was clearly more powerful than SM and the collateral damage done by that skrull doesn't mean his blasts were actually more pwoerful than the blow that koed superman. green scar doesnt have a significant damage soak edge on SM to warrant that claim. he is also much slower.

Why shouldn't it? Is DC's Moon made of sterner stuff than Marvel's? It was a clear testament of the Hulk's ability to tank huge destructive force. Helspont does not have enough appearances to place him on such a high precipice, and yet this is what you are doing, as well as curryman. Now that's absurd. Superman was also at a point that his powers were not yet peaking. This is according to time frame and canonical text.

Originally posted by 753
this is absurd. he was clearly more powerful than SM and the collateral damage done by that skrull doesn't mean his blasts were actually more pwoerful than the blow that koed superman. green scar doesnt have a significant damage soak edge on SM to warrant that claim. he is also much slower.

Green Scar doesn't have a significant damage soak edge on Superman? His base durability is pretty good as is his healing factor, both of which increase with rage.

Superman's durability is pretty impressive, but Hulk's own durability + his healing factor (which can be pretty ridiculous) makes him more than competitive in terms of who can take the most damage before dropping against Superman.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Green Scar doesn't have a significant damage soak edge on Superman? His base durability is pretty good as is his healing factor, both of which increase with rage.

Superman's durability is pretty impressive, but Hulk's own durability + his healing factor (which can be pretty ridiculous) makes him more than competitive in terms of who can take the most damage before dropping against Superman.

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Originally posted by Stoic
Why shouldn't it? Is DC's Moon made of sterner stuff than Marvel's? It was a clear testament of the Hulk's ability to tank huge destructive force. Helspont does not have enough appearances to place him on such a high precipice, and yet this is what you are doing, as well as curryman. Now that's absurd. Superman was also at a point that his powers were not yet peaking. This is according to time frame and canonical text.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Green Scar doesn't have a significant damage soak edge on Superman? His base durability is pretty good as is his healing factor, both of which increase with rage.

Superman's durability is pretty impressive, but Hulk's own durability + his healing factor (which can be pretty ridiculous) makes him more than competitive in terms of who can take the most damage before dropping against Superman.

Originally posted by 753
I dont understand what is not to get. the blow that SM took hit him directly, why should there be collateral damage? in terms of high herald power, the crater blast opened by the skrull wasnt a big deal either. of course, we know bb's voice is very powerful, but that wasnt even the real bb. im not downplaying the feat, but we cant know that the blast was more powerful than helspont's backhand. specially considering direct hit focused on a smaller area.

Yeah that blow by helspont > than the fake black bolts scream.

Originally posted by 753
let's settle this: if green scar's damage soak is 100, what is superman's?

Superman's I'd rank anywhere from 120-150. But unlike Hulk, he doesn't have a potent healing factor that increases in effectiveness due to increased levels of anger/emotional duress, which is my main point.

Even if Superman is more durable than Hulk - and he usually is by most accounts - Hulk makes up for it with his own durability and healing factor, both of which increase due to Hulk's anger.

Originally posted by 753
I dont understand what is not to get. the blow that SM took hit him directly, why should there be collateral damage? in terms of high herald power, the crater blast opened by the skrull wasnt a big deal either. of course, we know bb's voice is very powerful, but that wasnt even the real bb. im not downplaying the feat, but we cant know that the blast was more powerful than helspont's backhand. specially considering direct hit focused on a smaller area.

C'mon now. I'm giving you that look. You know the one?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman's I'd rank anywhere from 120-150. But unlike Hulk, he doesn't have a potent healing factor that increases in effectiveness due to increased levels of anger/emotional duress, which is my main point.

Even if Superman is more durable than Hulk - and he usually is by most accounts - Hulk makes up for it with his own durability and healing factor, both of which increase due to Hulk's anger.

Originally posted by Stoic
C'mon now. I'm giving you that look. You know the one?

Originally posted by 753
is it this one?

I don't understand what you are basing your theories on? The blast that took out that chunk of Moon was clearly meant to be indicative of the Hulk damage soak. And to be frank, it was greater than what it took from Helspont to put Superman out. What you aren't getting is that Superman was being depicted as being quite weak at that point, and only after his bench press feat did his character begin to grow in power. I mean look at that Psycho Predator Ninja creature, and what it did to Big Blue at that point in time? The Green Scar would have AOE'd that slug to KO in no time.

Originally posted by 753
yeah Im talking damage soak which factors in durabilty and healing factor. how is sm compared to wwhulk?

The gap between New 52 Superman (the guy who got taken out by Helspont) and Green Scar is very minimal with durability, stamina, and healing factors all taken into account. And that gap is likely to widen and actually turn in favor for Hulk the longer the fight goes on.

Originally posted by 753
yeah Im talking damage soak which factors in durabilty and healing factor. how is sm compared to wwhulk?

WW Hulk's damage soak rises with his dynamic strength. All of his stats do, and he can go from base to the end of WW Hulk's saga power levels in a blink of the eye, which was clearly depicted on panel. Helspont simply does not have enough in terms of feats to win this. Now in the future if he does something of note, I will gladly change my stance, because truth is truth. For now WW Hulk wins this, based on feats.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The gap between New 52 Superman (the guy who got taken out by Helspont) and Green Scar is very minimal with durability, stamina, and healing factors all taken into account. And that gap is likely to widen and actually turn in favor for Hulk the longer the fight goes on.

Originally posted by Stoic
I don't understand what you are basing your theories on? The blast that took out that chunk of Moon was clearly meant to be indicative of the Hulk damage soak. And to be frank, it was greater than what it took from Helspont to put Superman out. What you aren't getting is that Superman was being depicted as being quite weak at that point, and only after his bench press feat did his character begin to grow in power. I mean look at that Psycho Predator Ninja creature, and what it did to Big Blue at that point in time? The Green Scar would have AOE'd that slug to KO in no time.

Green Scar withstood a brutal beating from Zeus even with his magic messing up the healing factor. I don't think it's even debatable who has the greater damage soak.

Hulk smash.

Originally posted by 753
this is absurd. he was clearly more powerful than SM and the collateral damage done by that skrull doesn't mean his blasts were actually more pwoerful than the blow that koed superman. green scar doesnt have a significant damage soak edge on SM to warrant that claim. he is also much slower.

You'd be hard pressed at proving H'el is as strong let alone stronger than WWH. You'll also be hard pressed at proving this Superman can withstand what WWH withstood. Hard pressed buddy.

Originally posted by carver9
You'd be hard pressed at proving H'el is as strong let alone stronger than WWH. You'll also be hard pressed at proving this Superman can withstand what WWH withstood. Hard pressed buddy.

WWH has high herald strengh and damage soak. my opinion of he'l is that he is a class above across the board. solidly trans.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Yeah that blow by helspont > than the fake black bolts scream.

Not based on fts. This version of Black Bolt screamed and ripped through time/space. Nothing H'el did surpasses this.

World War Hulk was above High Herald in damage soak. He walked around at High Herald strength. He only went up from there.