Originally posted by mighty adam
sentry in void mode stalemated wwh that was ass he should haven't lost he should have walked right threw him period. They could've use some other character to job to the hulk. That was a low feat in sentry history kinda worst then when spider made hulk knock himself out.
Originally posted by tkitna
As you'll notice, if Bob wasnt called to go and bring down Asgard, Thor was in some deep crap.Void is looking pretty nonchalant to me and Thor was no threat. He was lucky to have escaped that instance with his life as he was about to be decapitated. As for Thor blowing the Void back during that scuffle, I would hope he would use something more powerful then the blast Bob nosold in the first panel.
Oh yeah, that would be fear in Thors face also. Just thought i'd bring that up. LOL
No sold? You have some reading issues there dude 👆
See what happened there? Ares damaged the Sentry, and part of the void came out of the hole. When Thor used that attack on Sentry, a large amount of hos body was blown open. His entire back was gone as that is where the void was sticking out of. That attack would have straight up killed Sentry. That was far from no selling anything at all.
And Thor showed later that when the chips were down, he can break through the voids hold.
Fact is, in the later encounter, Thor showed that he also has what it takes to duke it out with Void and basically manhandle him. He was blasting him all over the place with lightning, and in the Void's attempt to once again hold Thor down, Thor broke the hold and one shot him. It's more than clear that while Thor was at a disadvantage, the chances of him being killed were still slim. He's not Ares.
He was in trouble. Did you expect him to be laughing or something? 😬
Originally posted by Damborgsonwow read the context of the story before posting like this
No sold? You have some reading issues there dude 👆See what happened there? Ares damaged the Sentry, and part of the void came out of the hole. When Thor used that attack on Sentry, a large amount of hos body was blown open. His entire back was gone as that is where the void was sticking out of. That attack would have straight up killed Sentry. That was far from no selling anything at all.
And Thor showed later that when the chips were down, he can break through the voids hold.
Fact is, in the later encounter, Thor showed that he also has what it takes to duke it out with Void and basically manhandle him. He was blasting him all over the place with lightning, and in the Void's attempt to once again hold Thor down, Thor broke the hold and one shot him. It's more than clear that while Thor was at a disadvantage, the chances of him being killed were still slim. He's not Ares.
He was in trouble. Did you expect him to be laughing or something? 😬
Originally posted by Damborgson
No sold? You have some reading issues there dude 👆See what happened there? Ares damaged the Sentry, and part of the void came out of the hole. When Thor used that attack on Sentry, a large amount of hos body was blown open. His entire back was gone as that is where the void was sticking out of.
Are you trying to make point here? Bob didnt even have a grimace on his face. Ok, technically there may have been physical damage for a brief second, but did that even slow him down for any amount of time? He was on top of Thor in the next panel. I suppose i'll rephrase myself and instead of saying a word like no sell, lets me just say Thors blast was highly ineffective. Ares shot looked like it rocked Bob for a second, but we all know what that got him.
That attack would have straight up killed Sentry. That was far from no selling anything at all.
Lets say that Thor's blast would have killed Sentry, what would that accomplish? A KMC forum win maybe on technical terms (thats a big maybe too)? Even so, why wouldnt Bob just pop up again as he has done numerous times before? Its really a fight that Thor can not win.
And Thor showed later that when the chips were down, he can break through the voids hold.
With no outside interference or distractions? The fact that your even arguing that Thor can hang with the Void is astonishing.
Fact is, in the later encounter, Thor showed that he also has what it takes to duke it out with Void and basically manhandle him. He was blasting him all over the place with lightning, and in the Void's attempt to once again hold Thor down, Thor broke the hold and one shot him. It's more than clear that while Thor was at a disadvantage, the chances of him being killed were still slim. He's not Ares.
Thor manhandling the Void? Good lord. Thor has no business even being on the same battlefield as the Void and would be powerless to do anything to him if it wasnt for Bob's constant struggle to regain control and the story reeking of CIS/PIS due to Bendis. As for Thor being no Ares, he might as well be in this scenario.
He was in trouble. Did you expect him to be laughing or something? 😬
I expect him to die as he should have.
I guess the respect thread has a bunch of scans, but a good bit of the links are broken. This last scan puts it into perspective though, The Void was never damaged, nor really bothered by the hero's and they had no answer whatsoever. The only defense they showed in the storyline was holding him back with the combined efforts of Stranges, Sue's, and Iron Mans shields and i'm not even sure if they really held him back.
To think Thor can hang with such a character is laughable when the combined might of all those hero's couldnt even scratch him. If people want to hold onto Bendis' sad storyline then so be it.
Originally posted by curryman
You're trapped in some misguided sentry-wank when all we're doing is referring to a specific statement about him beating Thor casually.
There are only early scans from the mini that show Thor in the midst of hero's that are fighting the Void, but they are powerless to beat him. It took Bob to overthrow the Void as usual.
My argument was that Thor should have no business ever beating the Void if it werent for Bendis writing a story for the sole purpose of killing the character off. It was poorly done as Bendis is so famous for and I consider the Siege Void as a low showing for him when other stories have him portrayed as much more powerful. Thor could never walk through that group of hero's like the Void did. Thor would have been killed.
Originally posted by tkitna
My argument was that Thor should have no business ever beating the Void if it werent for Bendis writing a story for the sole purpose of killing the character off. It was poorly done as Bendis is so famous for and I consider the Siege Void as a low showing for him when other stories have him portrayed as much more powerful. Thor could never walk through that group of hero's like the Void did. Thor would have been killed.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
I agree that Sentry was done a disservice once it moved beyond Jenkins, but if you think that his fluctuating power-level is what killed the character then you must never have cared much for Sentry in the first place.
Could Void have no-sold Thor no problem? Maybe.
Did he? No.
So let's stop claiming that he did.
Originally posted by curryman
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.I agree that Sentry was done a disservice once it moved beyond Jenkins, but if you think that his fluctuating power-level is what killed the character then you must never have cared much for Sentry in the first place.
Could Void have no-sold Thor no problem? Maybe.
Did he? No.
So let's stop claiming that he did.
No he didn't (under the pen of Bendis). Spiderman beat up Firelord too. Same difference. Some people will go around and believe Thor has a chance against a character like the Void while the majority of comic book readers will use common sense.
Originally posted by tkitna
No he didn't (under the pen of Bendis). Spiderman beat up Firelord too. Same difference. Some people will go around and believe Thor has a chance against a character like the Void while the majority of comic book readers will use common sense.
If you feel that Sentry was weak under Bendis, have a look at his Thor and Dr.Strange then. Goldeboy isn't the only pet-project Bendis has ruined either 🙂
Not under the pen of anyone did the Void beat casually beat Thor.
Maybe he was capable, but he did not.
H'el on the other hand did casually defeat Flash, Superman, Superboy and others. Superman let loose like he never had before and laid into him as best he could. That's more than enough force to lift the planet for days slamming into H'el's chin dozens of time. At the same time H'el supporting a massive construct psionically. After the beatdown he's still able to more or less one-shot Superman.
Originally posted by DamborgsonSee what happened there? Ares damaged the Sentry, and part of the void came out of the hole. When Thor used that attack on Sentry, a large amount of hos body was blown open. His entire back was gone as that is where the void was sticking out of. That attack would have straight up killed Sentry. That was far from no selling anything at all
Actually, looking at the scan again, he did no sell the blast. Bob changing into the Void form isn't the same as having his body blown apart. You can clearly see his legs when he is transforming. It doesnt make sense that his back got blown off either when he received the blast face first. The look in Thors eyes in this scan tells the story. He knew he was screwed.
Originally posted by tkitna
As you'll notice, if Bob wasnt called to go and bring down Asgard, Thor was in some deep crap.Void is looking pretty nonchalant to me and Thor was no threat. He was lucky to have escaped that instance with his life as he was about to be decapitated. As for Thor blowing the Void back during that scuffle, I would hope he would use something more powerful then the blast Bob nosold in the first panel.
Oh yeah, that would be fear in Thors face also. Just thought i'd bring that up. LOL
You are 100% correct... SENTRY walked through THOR's blast without a blink. I love THOR and he's one of my Top 5 favorites but, He almost died right then and there.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerWhy is that? The void came out of damaged areas. An entire portion of his back had to have been missing for so much of the void to have been released.
@Damborgson: Doesn't really seem that Thor blew up most of his body. It does seem like he's tanking it though. /shrug
Originally posted by tkitna
Are you trying to make point here? Bob didnt even have a grimace on his face. Ok, technically there may have been physical damage for a brief second, but did that even slow him down for any amount of time? He was on top of Thor in the next panel. I suppose i'll rephrase myself and instead of saying a word like no sell, lets me just say Thors blast was highly ineffective. Ares shot looked like it rocked Bob for a second, but we all know what that got him.Lets say that Thor's blast would have killed Sentry, what would that accomplish? A KMC forum win maybe on technical terms (thats a big maybe too)? Even so, why wouldnt Bob just pop up again as he has done numerous times before? Its really a fight that Thor can not win.
With no outside interference or distractions? The fact that your even arguing that Thor can hang with the Void is astonishing.
Thor manhandling the Void? Good lord. Thor has no business even being on the same battlefield as the Void and would be powerless to do anything to him if it wasnt for Bob's constant struggle to regain control and the story reeking of CIS/PIS due to Bendis. As for Thor being no Ares, he might as well be in this scenario.
I expect him to die as he should have.
It blows up your argument of him "no selling" anything. Which is the point. I shouldn't have to tell you that. Ares didn't do much of anything, but so what? I used him to prove that the more Bob was damaged, the more of the void came out.
A KMC win is all it takes. Since it would've straight up killed Sentry. Would he have resurrected? I'm sure he would have. When? Who knows.
I'm not arguing power levels so much as I'm arguing occurrences in the comics.
So you didn't read Siege? You didn't see the void's power being blown back by Thor's lightning and then the void being shot into the sky and slammed into the ground by said lightning? Before the helicarrier instance.
That's irrelevant and nothing indicates he'd have been in danger of dying. Not in that instance anyway. In Siege 4 yeah, there was no sign Thor would have recovered without Loki's help. Not Siege 3 though.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
You are 100% correct... SENTRY walked through THOR's blast without a blink. I love THOR and he's one of my Top 5 favorites but, He almost died right then and there.
Sentry, specifically, would have died. That was all the void's glory.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Why is that? The void came out of damaged areas. An entire portion of his back had to have been missing for so much of the void to have been released.
Apart from that the only damage that I can tell is the torn clothes portrayed by the art, which is superficial at best.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I don't really know. To me, it seemed more like the Void was coming out in the form of a GL-esque construct from his body. That doesn't necessarily imply that his back had been destroyed.Apart from that the only damage that I can tell is the torn clothes portrayed by the art, which is superficial at best.
It's Bendis, and since we all know he sometimes forgets what he's writing about in the middle of a miniseries, I can understand the doubt, but if you look at what the only other damaging attack he took did to him, release part of the void from the wound, then it'd make sense that due to the damage received, even more of the void came out. He tanked the hammershots without a scratch though.