Originally posted by h1a8
Namor can be cut by convention means (high convention). He's not Superman. Those sharks have teeth stronger than steel and can bite through steel like it aint shit.
Good thing Namor is > Steel. He doesn't have to be Superman to not get affected by prehistoric sharks. Not to mention the incredible speed and maneuverability advantage.
Originally posted by h1a8
If you read my quote you would see that I said, "In my opinion". Thus it could be tolerated. I didn't actually make a claim in that remark. I judge this based off the fights and estimate at what strength level certain beings are operating at. I also base my opinion off feats and writer's opinions (when feats aren't shown).
I disagree that going toe to toe with someone means that you are as strong as them (especially when they are operating at their highest).
I don't care, you cannot make baseless claims then hide behind "my opinion". That's not how things work.
So when characters stand their ground and trade blows equally for entire pages, that doesn't almost always suggest equality among characters? Is that what you're telling me?
Shut up. I don't want to hear about writers opinions, you don't even read comics, how do you know what the stance writers take?
Originally posted by h1a8
Namor only went toe to toe with Hulk, Thor, Hercules a handful of times (not dozens) and even then he was outmatched almost every time. Many strong characters in comics are shown to go toe to toe with other strong characters. Thing and Colossus have their showings against stronger opponents, even shown to be winning sometimes. I don't care, Colossus against Glads is canon and it happened. Doesn't mean that Colossus is at Glads level strength wise though.
H1, you lie one more time, and I will report you for trolling. Seriously.
Namor has fought Hulk alone four times in long, drawn out competitive fights. He has even scored a knock out underwater against the Hulk:
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118i.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118j.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118k.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118l.jpg
He's fought Hercules a similar amount of times and has even been suggested to be stronger underwater:
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/NamorTheSub-Mariner58e.jpg
I can post the entire fights if you wish (Credit to scans go to Liam). I will not allow you to keep filling threads with your nonsense anymore.
Originally posted by h1a8
Show me Namor supporting Utopia.
Best scan I could find right now:
http://s401.photobucket.com/user/clokeagne_supernova/media/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/xmenvsatlas02a.jpg.html
But then again, at least I'm posting scans.
Originally posted by h1a8
As far as the planet wide feat then I up my estimate from 100,000 tons to probably in the billions as Namor's greatest strength feat.But again, why argue against things that are not the main point? The main point is Namor on average is about a few hundred tonner, same as Savage Hulk and Thor. Again this is my opinion.
So you admit you had no idea what Namor's limitations are and were just making up numbers?
Again you make a baseless claim and hide behind your opinion. Post scans to support this statement or I will report you for trolling.
And not just a low showing or two. You are arguing that this is their average. You had better be hiding at least a few dozen scans for both Hulk and Thor.
Imo, Namor is in on average far stronger than Superman at his best. Again, this is just my opinion.
Originally posted by h1a8
No they wouldn't. Both Hulk and Thor are susceptible to their bites. True that Namor has a much better chance than Thor or Hulk because of his maneuverability. Hulk has a better chance than Thor because of his HF. I would say Hulk wins, Thor losses and Namor losses.And lol at thinking the sharks just swallow when they eat. They phucking chew dude.
Lol.
This is absolutely untrue.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHow am I hiding when I clearly stated, IMO, in the first place. Who doesn't say IMO? And yes, trading blows support strength comparison. But more is needed to validate it. Using matchups in comics alone is faulty, especially when characters are known to fluctuate in power from comic to comic (as in Colossus Gladiator or Colossus Hulk example).
I don't care, you cannot make baseless claims then hide behind "my opinion". That's not how things work.So when characters stand their ground and trade blows equally for entire pages, that doesn't almost always suggest equality among characters? Is that what you're telling me?
Shut up. I don't want to hear about writers opinions, you don't even read comics, how do you know what the stance writers take?
You are a Thor con artist. You exaggerate, twist words, scenes, to make it seem only an idiot would believe otherwise. I seen Namor fight Hulk, Hercules, etc. I don't recall him always fighting them for a long time (the tricky "entire pages" con). For the most part, Namor was almost always outclassed or shown to be inferior. Even in water, Hercules still had the advantage in strength over him.
I call BS, report that. Namor has not fought these characters dozens of times as you suggested (at least 24 times), especially in long serious or meaningful fights. So I guess you lied. And if you post the entire fight against Hercules in the water you would see that Hercules is able to still dominate Namor in his own element (strength wise).
H1, you lie one more time, and I will report you for trolling. Seriously.Namor has fought Hulk alone four times in long, drawn out competitive fights. He has even scored a knock out underwater against the Hulk:
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118i.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118j.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118k.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/Hulk118l.jpgHe's fought Hercules a similar amount of times and has even been suggested to be stronger underwater:
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Battles/NamorTheSub-Mariner58e.jpgI can post the entire fights if you wish (Credit to scans go to Liam). I will not allow you to keep filling threads with your nonsense anymore.
You posted a well known fight of him knocking Hulk out (one of his greatest feats). Yet even in that scan Namor it can't be proven that Namor was operating above 20,000 tons of force. I doesn't take more than that to knock Hulk a mile away.
Well that scan doesn't say much. But thanks for trying though. We don't know how much of it he was supporting. Plus Utopia doesn't seem very impressive to me as it's not very big.
Best scan I could find right now:
http://s401.photobucket.com/user/clokeagne_supernova/media/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/xmenvsatlas02a.jpg.htmlBut then again, at least I'm posting scans.
I was going by the massive boats, carriers, planes, etc. he lifted. I wasn't making up numbers. The greatest thing I've seen him lift was about 100,000 tons or so.
So you admit you had no idea what Namor's limitations are and were just making up numbers?Again you make a baseless claim and hide behind your opinion. Post scans to support this statement or I will report you for trolling.
And not just a low showing or two. You are arguing that this is their average. You had better be hiding at least a few dozen scans for both Hulk and Thor.
Imo, Namor is in on average far stronger than Superman at his best. Again, this is just my opinion.
One of the scans I use to support my claim is one of Namor's best feats against a well known character (Hulk). You posted it. In the scan we see Namor knock Hulk a mile away. How much force did this take? I can give you the math if you want.
Also, in the scans or fights against Thing, Namor usually appears to be only a little stronger (if that). Thing is definitely not above 500 tons, at least on average. My reasoning for Thor, Savage Hulk to be operating at around 500 tons of strength on average is due to their fights with characters who are a little above 100 tons of strength (like Thing) or how they hit beings around.
