Speedsters vs Energy Manips.

Wally, Barry and Zoom in an all out battle against GL Hal, Silver Surfer, Quasar.

Battle takes place on desert class M planet, who wins and why?

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zoom makes this a stomp. Swap him for any other speedster and you at least have a fight.

What happens when team energy manip blows up the planet?

Surfer moves at warp speed, faster than light by a mile, so hes faster then barry wally and zoom, so he could easily catch them and trap them in his board....easily

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Surfer moves at warp speed, faster than light by a mile, so hes faster then barry wally and zoom, so he could easily catch them and trap them in his board....easily

No, he's not. :-p

But blowing up the planet woild be a viable strat, IMO.

No he is he moves at warp speed with ease, traps them in his board or creates a black hole for them to be dropped into

can u please post on panel where hes faster then flash plz

this, of course, leads to the endless debate surrounding SS's reaction speed and the fact he travels through hyperspace when exceeding lightspeed as per marvel's physical laws, though writers do ignore this a lot.

overall, flashes are faster, though I am of the opinion that SS does indeed have legitimate superspeed reactions.

energy manipulation team wins due to their versatility edge and massive power output.

quasar is the weak link imo. he can only use the bands as quickly as his perceptions let him. he'd be ko'd quickly leaving ss to battle 2 on 1. if he has full knowledge of just how fast they are, you might be able to make a case for him getting out of range and blasting with aoe-style attacks, but, if he just knows they're 'fast', he has no chance. not sure he could get away before zoom got to him anyway though is definitely some support to the notion that ss could survive zoom's onslaught.

speedsters suck for battles. if it's cis on, i'd take ss against either. cis-less speedster powersets become almost impossible to argue against.

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Surfer moves at warp speed, faster than light by a mile, so hes faster then barry wally and zoom, so he could easily catch them and trap them in his board....easily

All the Flashes have been faster than light for a long time now. The best Flashes, like Wally and Barry (and Zoom) are much faster than DC characters who are comparable to Surfer in speed. They're also capable of stealing Surfer's speed and making him a statue (although that's not really in character).

So yeah, they're faster than SS. Black holes wouldn't work because a) that's not in character for SS and b) Objects moving FTL can escape the event horizon of a black hole.

Originally posted by leonidas
quasar is the weak link imo. he can only use the bands as quickly as his perceptions let him.

Unless GL instructs his ring to auto-respond/fire, he's limited to perception as well.

Originally posted by Cogito
b) Objects moving FTL can escape the event horizon of a black hole.

to be fair, we really don't know much about how a black hole would impact a FTL object.

Originally posted by Oliver North
to be fair, we really don't know much about how a black hole would impact a FTL object.

Fine, qualify that with a "theoretically".

But that's how it has worked in other comics before, and how it would work here.

I'm just being pedantic 😉

Speedsters win.

Speedsters. Zoom is the biggest gun on the field.