Originally posted by -Pr-
As much as I feel like Bill is a notch below the other three, I'm still concerned about how Surfer might do against either of them.
Surfer needs to just sit back and charge Superman with yellow solar radiation. As he's inventing new powers, he'll smack team 2 around and defend Surfer simultaneously.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman can't invent new powers. Not this Superman anyway.
If Superman can't invent Superpowers, than why was he developing super powers all throughout his life as he spent time under the yellow sun. How did he grow more invulnerable? More powerful? In All-Star, getting way too close to the sun forced him to start creating a multitude of powers on top of greatly augmenting the ones he had. He became invulnerable to Kryptonite, etc. And let's not forget the New 52 H'el stunt, where H'el possesses psionic abilities as well as Superman's set. It seems that Kryptonians develop super powers from random mutations from yellow sunlight radiation, yet some are genetically intelligent enough to influence the mutations. Helspont uses the word, "Racial memory".
But what are claims and a non-canon arc next to feats?
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Regeneration -
Super hypnotism -
Xray heat vision lobotomy -
Invisibility -
Agelessness -
Energy absorption -
Intangibility -
Intangibility and Invisibility are both extensions of his speed, unlike, say, Martian Manhunter, who just shifts his molecules in a different way.
All-Star is non-canon, so doesn't count.
Superman has always had energy absorption; it's how his powers work.
His agelessness is more a long life, and that's not so much a power, really.
The lobotomy is a focused beam of heat vision, so not a new power.
Super-hypnotism is an extension of T-Rao or T-Vo, a Kryptonian mental discipline that has pretty much been forgotten about at this point.
Dark Knight Returns isn't canon, but anyway, Superman has had advanced healing for years now. It's not really a new power, and is connected to his long life.
And we can't assume that just because H'el was different, that Superman will be too.
Originally posted by -Pr-Yet, even in the main arc, he invented new super powers chronologically. Him sticking with the conventional ole' set, I believe, is the result of a lack of creativity, or a lack of further forced mutation of his powers. Golden Superman Prime 1 Mill is canon, and is the epitome of that process. I also believe he's a cube being, if he doesn't start out with infinite energy to expel, he can absorb it from the universe.
Intangibility and Invisibility are both extensions of his speed, unlike, say, Martian Manhunter, who just shifts his molecules in a different way.All-Star is non-canon, so doesn't count.
Superman has always had energy absorption; it's how his powers work.
His agelessness is more a long life, and that's not so much a power, really.
The lobotomy is a focused beam of heat vision, so not a new power.
Super-hypnotism is an extension of T-Rao or T-Vo, a Kryptonian mental discipline that has pretty much been forgotten about at this point.
Dark Knight Returns isn't canon, but anyway, Superman has had advanced healing for years now. It's not really a new power, and is connected to his long life.
And we can't assume that just because H'el was different, that Superman will be too.
Anyway I still believe that he can invent powers like x-ray vision, except completely different, see pyrokinesis or electrokinesis, out of nowhere. His ice breath is sort of cryokinesis. I believe he can even reverse his aging, with regeneration, tied to energy absorption. And augment Kryptonian telepathy in the martial aspect, to new heights, to use them against cosmic beings. Xray heat vision is using x-ray vision, micro vision, and heat vision simultaneously. Just like his IMP is using speed and strength simultaneously. Heat vision is literally energy projection, he's capable of any kind of energy projection imo. Telekinesis and flight are within his grasp as well I believe, I believe this extends even to matter manipulation, even on an elementary level of hard physics. In the films his infinite speed allows for time travel, and picking certain probabilities and alternate realities to go to, to literally rewrite history.
With SS giving him increased yellow sunlight exposure, he could do anything...Superman is the first omnipotent mainstream super hero, as much or more so as/than Doctor Manhattan or Captain Atom.
It's not canon to post reboot Superman, though.
I don't agree that he can do it, but either way, we go by what he has done, rather than what he maybe can do if things go his way in the future. It's how we make sure characters remain as actual characters, and not fluid powersets.
He's not omnipotent. Not nearly. It's nice to think so highly of him, but it won't fly in debates.
Originally posted by -Pr-
He's not omnipotent.
I didn't really say he was omnipotent. Molecule man and Doctor Manhattan could be considered omnipotent as in causality manipulation. That's all I was talking about. Beyond that Superman can acquire infinite energy and essentially become a being on par with Galactus by shredding his ethereal form like Superman Prime 1 Mill.
Originally posted by Dolos
I didn't really say he was omnipotent. Molecule man and Doctor Manhattan could be considered omnipotent as in causality manipulation. That's all I was talking about. Beyond that Superman can acquire infinite energy and essentially become a being on par with Galactus by shredding his ethereal form like Superman Prime 1 Mill.
I'm not sure he can, tbh.
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And yes, Superman has shown a healing factor on multiple occasions.