Manchest Black vs Rachel Grey

They throw down around Chinatown.

Black, unless Grey has the phoenix.

Originally posted by 753
Black, unless Grey has the phoenix.

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Even when she had the phoenix, emma schooled her. Black wins.

she also fought Galactus, iirc

Originally posted by 753
Black, unless Grey has the phoenix.

This.

What does that has to a TP battle which is most likely in this scenario?

Originally posted by Oliver North
she also fought Galactus, iirc

Not really telepathy, but raw power yes. She also ran away from him another time when he was serious, and threw Nova at him to no effect, that ended in him almost destroying the Force with tech.

Black. Grey is little more than wasted potential, tbh.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
She cheap shotted him while he was about to feed on a planet and eventually took him down.

Not really telepathy, but raw power yes. She also ran away from him another time when he was serious, and threw Nova at him to no effect, that ended in him almost destroying the Force with tech.

oh, for sure, not saying they are close to equals, but certainly her high-end power output feats should give her a win if she has access to the PF against Black

Originally posted by Oliver North
oh, for sure, not saying they are close to equals, but certainly her high-end power output feats should give her a win if she has access to the PF against Black

But her raw power would smoke the shit out of Black. Though I doubt she has the Force here

Does Rachel still have the PF?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Does Rachel still have the PF?

The last I remember was her during the Realm of Kings stuff. I believe some of the force was taken from her by a member of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard at some point, so I think she still can access it, just in very limited ways.

I wish she would just keep the whole force and just wreck shit.

idk, a good X-Men story that didn't rely heavily on the Grey mythos would be fun too 😛

Poor Rachel is a failure. Just look at what Necrom did with a SLIVER of the PF he had that he couldn't even access unless Rachel used her power.

MB wins this pretty easily.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
She cheap shotted him while he was about to feed on a planet and eventually took him down.

Not really telepathy, but raw power yes. She also ran away from him another time when he was serious, and threw Nova at him to no effect, that ended in him almost destroying the Force with tech.

No effect?

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5558/excalibur02516mi9.jpg

She tossed Nova around like a ragdoll and caused him to stumble back.

And she didn't cheap shot him. She came up, rather pronounced, and overpowered him - hungry or no defeating Galactus is a significant feat for a lesser Phoenix avatar. I believe he may have even struck first.

And he decided not to separate her from the force because it would be bad for the universal rebirth cycle.

Originally posted by Konton
No effect?

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5558/excalibur02516mi9.jpg

She tossed Nova around like a ragdoll and caused him to stumble back.

And she didn't cheap shot him. She came up, rather pronounced, and overpowered him - hungry or no defeating Galactus is a significant feat for a lesser Phoenix avatar. I believe he may have even struck first.

And he decided not to separate her from the force because it would be bad for the universal rebirth cycle.

It accomplished nothing

She blew up his machine that had enough energy in it to knock Galactus all the way to the ground with nearly no warning other than her being a stupid character.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Phoenix/Phoenix02.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Phoenix/Phoenix03.jpg

Cheapshot might not have been the best word to use, but her first attack came without warning that opened up a machine with enough energy in it to blast a weakened Galactus quite a distance away.

Doesn't change anything.

rachel no longer has the phoenix. all the fragments had been pulled away and reunified before avx IIRC. as of now, the phoenix is gone. when it does return, it's probably gonna be quentin quire's turn, unless adult jean comes back with it.

Quire over Hope, eh?