Originally posted by bbrem123Majority labels the MM feat as PIS. But the thing is.. it wasnt your standart PIS example when a character with established power level suddenly does something he logically shouldnt be able to do. Sentry didn't use his herald level powers to beat MM, in fact he was getting stomped on at his standart power level. But in that same issue he discoveres that his powers go way beyond what was originally believed. And its not farfetched seeing how nobody knows where his powers come from or their extent. Its not the same as say BP suddenly being strong enough to armbar a class 100+ Surfer. IMO.
or sentry was that strong....it happened and people have to deal with it...void has been shown to be plenty strong enough in the past...everybody wants to discredit the feat because it is sentry and nobody like him as a character
Originally posted by SamZED👆
Majority labels the MM feat as PIS. But the thing is.. it wasnt your standart PIS example when a character with established power level suddenly does something he logically shouldnt be able to do. Sentry didn't use his herald level powers to beat MM, in fact he was getting stomped on at his standart power level. But in that same issue he discoveres that his powers go way beyond what was originally believed. And its not farfetched seeing how nobody knows where his powers come from or their extent. Its not the same as say BP suddenly being strong enough to armbar a class 100+ Surfer. IMO.
Originally posted by SamZED
Majority labels the MM feat as PIS. But the thing is.. it wasnt your standart PIS example when a character with established power level suddenly does something he logically shouldnt be able to do. Sentry didn't use his herald level powers to beat MM, in fact he was getting stomped on at his standart power level. But in that same issue he discoveres that his powers go way beyond what was originally believed. And its not farfetched seeing how nobody knows where his powers come from or their extent. Its not the same as say BP suddenly being strong enough to armbar a class 100+ Surfer. IMO.
But it's farfetched because he never did anything on that level again. I mean, even the Beyonder wasn't able to control MM's own molecules, and then Sentry never used matter manipulation again. That being said, Owen clearly wasn't operating at his peak (he was going crazy and manifesting his subconscious mind etc) so it's not quite like Sentry beat him when he was warping the multiverse fighting with the Beyonder.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
But it's farfetched because he never did anything on that level again. I mean, even the Beyonder wasn't able to control MM's own molecules, and then Sentry never used matter manipulation again. That being said, Owen clearly wasn't operating at his peak (he was going crazy and manifesting his subconscious mind etc) so it's not quite like Sentry beat him when he was warping the multiverse fighting with the Beyonder.
He lost vs Klaw, was possessed by Puppet Master (or whatever his name is) and forced to fight Aaron the Rogue Watcher and MM lost, he beat Beyonder in a trans-multiversal fight, then he dies vs Sentry. Three out of his four post retcon appearances were losses, that's a FULL 75%.
Having said that, even before the Secret Wars wankage involving MM and Beyonder, look at what Owen did here :
He destroyed Cap's shield, Thor's hammer, IM's armor and Surfer's board! He goes on to capture them and attempts to kill them but guess whose power saved them? Hint he's silver.
PIS/CISless Surfer can give non-voided Sentry a run for his money and may even take a few wins.
My respect for SS is steadily rising.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfishIMO it made perfect sense. Sentry havent fought anyone on that level anymore but he did use matter manipulation. In fact MM is a perfect explanation to all the crazy stuff he's done over the years. The fight with MM is just the moment he realised what his power was and figured out how to use it. But prior to that fight he could teleport, bring people back from the dead, resurrect himself but did that subcounciously. MM explains Void's shapeshifting as well.
But it's farfetched because he never did anything on that level again. I mean, even the Beyonder wasn't able to control MM's own molecules, and then Sentry never used matter manipulation again. That being said, Owen clearly wasn't operating at his peak (he was going crazy and manifesting his subconscious mind etc) so it's not quite like Sentry beat him when he was warping the multiverse fighting with the Beyonder.
Originally posted by TheHulk😎
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Originally posted by zopzop
Molecule Man was all over the place power wise in his, count them, FOUR appearances since the retcon.He lost vs Klaw, was possessed by Puppet Master (or whatever his name is) and forced to fight Aaron the Rogue Watcher and MM lost, he beat Beyonder in a trans-multiversal fight, then he dies vs Sentry. Three out of his four post retcon appearances were losses, that's a FULL 75%.
Having said that, even before the Secret Wars wankage involving MM and Beyonder, look at what Owen did here :
He destroyed Cap's shield, Thor's hammer, IM's armor and Surfer's board! He goes on to capture them and attempts to kill them but guess whose power saved them? Hint he's silver.PIS/CISless Surfer can give non-voided Sentry a run for his money and may even take a few wins.
My respect for SS is steadily rising.
Not that I disagree that he's had a mixed bag, but the reasons for it were mentioned in the story with the Beyonder fight. It was stated that between the incident with Aaran that Owen had spent months exploring his powers, which is why he was incredibly powerful again, whereas for Klaw/Aaran he was back to his classic levels following his split from the cube.
But yeah then you had his showing in Hulk where he didn't really do much, and DA.
We know MM doesn't have the best mental stability; what if that whole thing was a red herring and (if revisited) would have turned out that MM was exercising all the power in his "fight" with Sentry. Owen was actually reforming the Sentry and Sentry only thought he had such power.
The reason I say that is that it really seems like Bendis just wanted to screw with people about what Sentry was all about. Think about "I have MM powers" in the light of "I am Galactus, devourer of worlds" and He's the Angel of Death". Both of those may or may not have been simply off-hand remarks, but Bendis still made a point to throw them out there.
The whole Sentry character basically became Bendis' fist to all the readers who like to have everything figured out before the story ends. "You think Sentry is Marvel's Superman?" FIST "You think he's a tragic hero?" FIST You think he was an innocent kid who stumbled on a secret formula? FIST
Sorry for rant, I'm bleeding blue and gold over here...
Back on topic, The Sentry from his very first miniseries wins. If it's any other version, then Silver Surfer wins the majority based off a more consistent level of power and versatility.