Originally posted by SamZED
Hulk, classic Juggernaut, Hercules, Red Hulk.
Hulk is traditionally not as strong as Wonder-Woman, especially not when he's fighting Spider-man and such.
Juggernaut fight; are you talking about that joke with terrible art? Where Venom was clearly stronger than Juggernaut....
Hercules? Okay, when?
Red Hulk, some fight that was.
Nor are any of these ANYTHING like Wonder Woman. The symbiotes are slow as molasses against Diana.
Originally posted by currymanVenom wasnt stronger, he was getting beat up but taking the damage like a boss. And its consistent with the symbiotes, people assume that its not... just because theyre Spidey villains. No PIS Spider-man's punches dont even tickle Venom and he's never beaten him without a plot device.
Hulk is traditionally not as strong as Wonder-Woman, especially not when he's fighting Spider-man and such.Juggernaut fight; are you talking about that joke with terrible art? Where Venom was clearly stronger than Juggernaut....
Hercules? Okay, when?
Red Hulk, some fight that was.
Nor are any of these ANYTHING like Wonder Woman. The symbiotes are slow as molasses against Diana.
The beating Gargan took from Hercules in DA. Gargan sucks but damage soak wise it was impressive.
What's wrong with that Rulk fight?
All of the characters ive mentioned are around WW strength level. Dont see hows she supposed to oneshot them, especially if the go goo-form.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERExactly, they absorb physical attacks. I mean Venom at one point was shot with an anti-tank missile followed by few dozen grenades. And laughed at it.
Interesting thread. I've always felt Venom and Carnage are under rated when looking at all the fights they've had. People shout PIS, but then it's a whole history of PIS.And yes they don't go down easy by physical attacks. The symbiots are supposed to be able to absorb physical attacks (mostly).
I realise im playing devil's advocate here and WW is a whole different league but I believe symbiotes are being sold short in the thread concidering the stips.
Originally posted by currymanYour opinion on this is irrelevant considering, besides Parker getting rid of the symbiote which later formed Venom with Brock (so major PIS), no symbiote ever failed to take a character over.
Cosmic Carnage was some grade A garbage if I ever read it.
Carnage:
Silver Surfer
Entire town + Captain America, Wolverine, Thing and Hawkeye
Technopathically ****ing up Iron Man and corrupting his system
Venom: Ms Marvel, Reed Richards, Rulk
No name symbiote: Captain America
Non 616 symbiotes: Deadpool, Thor
There are more but I can't recall atm
If anyone here has to prove something it's you because Wonder Woman was mind controlled more than once.
Also lol at them not touching her, they can turn invisible and expand their tendrils in the surrounding to get a hold on their victim (Brock did exactly that and Flash did something similar while being blinded but he was visible).
Recently symbiots displayed massive HFs like Toxin regrowing 1 arm and 1 hand in like 4 panels and kept on fighting as if nothing happened. Carnage regrowing Cassidys legs. Venom was impaled by Toxin.
Also a lot of DC fans deem the crossover canon and Venom catched both Flash and Quicksilver at the same time and was giving Supes hell.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Also lol at them not touching her, they can turn invisible and expand their tendrils in the surrounding to get a hold on their victim (Brock did exactly that and Flash did something similar while being blinded but he was visible).
This has been brought up and responded to.
Also lmfao at invisible to Wonder Woman.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Your opinion on this is irrelevant considering, besides Parker getting rid of the symbiote which later formed Venom with Brock (so major PIS), no symbiote ever failed to take a character over.
Mad PIS.
Glad its your opinion that dictates and not anybody elses.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Carnage:
Silver Surfer
Entire town + Captain America, Wolverine, Thing and HawkeyeVenom: Ms Marvel, Reed Richards, Rulk
No name symbiote: Captain America
If anyone here has to prove something it's you because Wonder Woman was mind controlled more than once.
So these are the only relevant ones.
The Surfer Incident, which Carnage eventually failed in and some low level guys 🙂
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Recently symbiots displayed massive HFs like Toxin regrowing 1 arm and 1 hand in like 4 panels and kept on fighting as if nothing happened. Carnage regrowing Cassidys legs. Venom was impaled by Toxin.
That's great, they can regrow and let Wonder Woman one-shot them again.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Also a lot of DC fans deem the crossover canon and Venom catched both Flash and Quicksilver at the same time and was giving Supes hell.
Ah, excellent. An uncanon crossover some guys deem canon.
So what is it that you have then?
Some low level guys getting controlled. Surfer breaking out, and the Rulk.
On the other hand we have the extremely skilled, fast, durable and strong Wonder Woman. With a long ass history of true-sight, superhuman senses and resistance. But hey, that doesn't even matter because her durability is sooooo far beyond anything these three can dish out. She can tank several hits from Supergirl for christs sake.
Originally posted by 753
No. Just no.
I think curryman is referring mostly to older comics when Hulk's base wasn't that strong. Sure, he can continue to power up with anger, but it takes awhile for him to build up to the level of quite a few herald characters.
Not, like, current Hulk or WWH, who have a much higher base.