Originally posted by Galan007
Galactus takes this with ease, imo.Monarch is at the lower-end of the Skyfather tier, at best. Galactus is... Significantly above that.
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Odin was able to warp universal scale destructive energies with a gesture in Fraction's run of Thor.
Galactus, by all rights, should no sell it outright if not absorb it.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Can you post where he takes a hit from a universal explosion?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/11-GalactusOrigin.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/12-GalactusOrigin.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/13-GalactusOrigin.jpg
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
👆Odin was able to warp universal scale destructive energies with a gesture in Fraction's run of Thor.
Galactus, by all rights, should no sell it outright if not absorb it.
My thinking as well. IIRC Galactus was depicted eating a magical realm (I want to say Agamatto's realm, but I can't remember off hand).
To zopzop's point, the machinery is more efficient but it's not Galactus's only means and when pressed he can perform the task himself. It's analogous to preparing and cooking your meal versus eating it raw. Galactus has the means to regulate the flow of energy intake and contain the blast on his own.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Seeing how Galactus was born in the midst of the original Big Bang, I doubt that Monarch being breached is going to be a major problem for him.
Even if that's not the case, Galactus can simply pull out an Odin from his arse and bfr all that excess energy to another dimension.
Originally posted by zopzopWhile possible, it never to my knowledge said this before. Hell, they changed a couple pages before after a while and nothing was stated:I thought that was just flowery language for when Aleta transformed into Starhawk :
If you look at the panel :
a) A mother screams (Korvac's mother in labor pains)
b) A father rails (Korvac's dad fighting the GotG)
c) A universe is rent asunder and mends itself a new configuration (Aleta literally reconfiguring herself into Starhawk)
d) A child is born (Korvac's birth)No?
Yup, after the Ancient One's (aka Dr. Strange of the year 3000) APPRENTICE, Kruegarr, owned Korvac :
Horrific showing for Korvac.
Having said that, this is a double KO. Galactus WILL breach Monarch's armor then die in the resulting explosion (along with the rest of the universe/dimension they are fighting in). [/B]
Plus with all the talk of Korvac wiping out the universe in that arc:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/14.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/26.jpg
Plus, that's a terrible choice of words for transforming when a universe was a stake...
He put him a dimension where his powers didn't work. He didn't overpower him or anything, just put him in a dimension. Same theory as Mad Jim Jaspers' weakness with unspace. That shouldn't diminish his power, especially with Korvac' power decimating the GOTG in that arc.
And the Monarch explosion was a chain reaction that the Monitor's personal shields withstood, along with at least a plant and mountain (?), and Superboy Prime. And the Monitors were written as complete fodder getting decimated by herald level armies in that arc.
http://imageshack.us/f/98/ca4or1.jpg/
Galactus can either teleport to another dimension like he's done against the UN. Put his shields up. Probably just warp it around him. It just seemed like it was big in scope tbh since he didn't actually destroy the universe, just almost everything in it. Which doesn't include anything more durable than Galactus, and even less durable characters survived (Prime, Monitor, Plant, Rocks).
I think it is rather foolish to assume that the only way to defeat Monarch is by ripping open his armor and releasing all of his 'universe-busting energies'.
What's stopping Galactus from containing Monarch and perpetually feasting on his energies, like he did with Hyperstorm? What's stopping Galactus from preforming mind-phuckery? What's stopping Galactus from breaching Monarch's armor and immediately teleporting him to another dimension before he completely detonates? What's stopping Galactus from simply tanking said energies like the Monitor's shields and base-level Prime did?
Originally posted by zopzop
http://marvel.wikia.com/Guardians_of_the_Galaxy_Annual_Vol_1_1
During that period Aleta and Starhawk shared the same body, switching back and forth frequently depending which powerset was needed at the time. I don't think it was ever referred to as a universe reforming itself, as they were two entities in the same body.
I'm not specifically sure what the scan you posted was talking about, but almost certainly not about Aleta transforming back into Starhawk, imo
Originally posted by zopzop
Oh it will be, because unlike the time he was born into the current universe, he won't have Eternity looking out for him in this fight :
And I don't think that Monarch's explosion was an actual "Big Bang" creation event similar to what happened with Imperiex. It was just a universe wrecking explosion.
Originally posted by zopzop
And I don't think that Monarch's explosion was an actual "Big Bang" creation event similar to what happened with Imperiex. It was just a universe wrecking explosion.
Originally posted by zopzop
Assuming he knows it's coming, this is a possibility.
@TGK
Typically, big bangs create. Monarch's detonation only destroyed. That's why universe-51 had to be recreated by the Monitors at the end of Final Crisis. That said, I personally wouldn't refer to the aforementioned detonation as a 'big bang'. The sum total of Atom's quantum powers were released in unison, which caused a massive explosion that ultimately destroyed universe-51.
Doesn't change the outcome in the slightest, though. Galactus wins.
Originally posted by Galan007
@TGKTypically, big bangs create. Monarch's detonation only destroyed. That's why universe-51 had to be recreated by the Monitors at the end of Final Crisis. That said, I personally wouldn't refer to the aforementioned detonation as a 'big bang'. The sum total of Atom's quantum powers were released in unison, which caused a massive explosion that ultimately destroyed universe-51.
Going by your logic, Michael's Dunamis Demiurgos isn't a Big Bang either(its multiversal scale notwithstanding).
Originally posted by Galan007Did it actually destroy the universe?
@TGKTypically, big bangs create. Monarch's detonation only destroyed. That's why universe-51 had to be recreated by the Monitors at the end of Final Crisis. That said, I personally wouldn't refer to the aforementioned detonation as a 'big bang'. The sum total of Atom's quantum powers were released in unison, which caused a massive explosion that ultimately destroyed universe-51.
Doesn't change the outcome in the slightest, though. Galactus wins.
I thought it was just everything in it
@Galan:
In fact take the most recent instance of the Big Bang being used an instrument of destruction in Fantastic Four #6, where Blastaar was condemned to die at the dawn of creation.
There is absolutely no evidence that Monarch's self-destruction produced energies aren't logically a Big Bang, while there is evidence for the opposing point of view.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Can you destroy space ?
But hypothetically, you can contract space into nothingness. Because it's logical that if space can expand, then it can also contract. It's simply beyond the scope of humans to do so.
It's either a "Big Bang" or it isn't.
In Monarch's case it's Not imo.
A/The "Big-Bang" only creates! (from nothingness)
Existing Spacial-Temporal implosion is known as the/a "Big-Crunch."
If all Monarch did was release energies that destroyed most (or all) of
the contents within that universe, (excluding space-time)
then it's neither.
That's just a powerful blast wrecking most of the Galaxies and so on of a reality.
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* Galactus didn't tank the original Big Bang btw.
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftThe universal space was still there, but everything within it was destroyed.
Did it actually destroy the universe?I thought it was just everything in it
...Except the Monitor... And Prime... And a little tree... And a tiny plot of land that the tree was growing on.
Originally posted by Mr Master👆
It's either a "Big Bang" or it isn't.In Monarch's case it's Not imo.
A/The "Big-Bang" only creates! (from nothingness)
Existing Spacial-Temporal implosion is known as the/a "Big-Crunch."
If all Monarch did was release energies that destroyed most (or all) of
the contents within that universe, (excluding space-time)
then it's neither.That's just a powerful blast wrecking most of the Galaxies and so on of a reality.
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* Galactus didn't tank the original Big Bang btw.
That makes 2 agreements in a week. We are on a roll. 😄
