Wonder Man and The Thing vs Loki

Originally posted by zopzop
First of all, calm down.

Second, Loki clowning three Thor clones is sh|tty writing. Loki sans prep has his hands full with ONE Thor. Zarko pulled this guy from the timestream (so I'm assuming Loki had no prep and he for sure was confused as to what was going on). BRB by himself should have been able to put Loki down. BRB with Dargo and Masterson Thor would be horrible overkill.

Yes, but Thor is Thor. And as powerful as Bill and Masterson are, they're no Thor.

Without CIS in play (A lot of the time the reason why Loki loses to Thor), and Thor's knowledge of Loki's tricks as well as how to counter them, Loki becomes a lot more dangeroous.

Seriously, how was it shitty writing exactly? What exactly did he do? He slapped around Masterson with the firesword but he's gotten the edge even on the real Thor with that thing etc. He also knocked him around but Loki can amp his strength immensely or shape shift to the point he's a near match for Thor in a brutal fight. Everything else was him using his powers wisely: Illusions, telepathy etc.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, but Thor is Thor. And as powerful as Bill and Masterson are, they're no Thor.

Without CIS in play (A lot of the time the reason why Loki loses to Thor), and Thor's knowledge of Loki's tricks as well as how to counter them, Loki becomes a lot more dangeroous.

Seriously, how was it shitty writing exactly? What exactly did he do? He slapped around Masterson with the firesword but he's gotten the edge even on the real Thor with that thing etc. He also knocked him around but Loki can amp his strength immensely or shape shift to the point he's a near match for Thor in a brutal fight. Everything else was him using his powers wisely: Illusions, telepathy etc.

He had no prep and confused as to what was going on yet he tooled three Thor clones.

BRB isn't some noob with his powers, he's given B&T Thor a good fight. He was absolutely beastly in Godkiller. Dargo outsmarted and beat Korvac's ancestor (who had Korvac's power by the way) by redirecting his attack back at him, even 616 Thor never thought of using that tactic vs Korvac. Of the three, only Masterson was the noob but it doesn't matter. It wasn't Masterson Thor vs Loki. It was Masterson Thor + BRB + Dargo vs Loki.

Fail writing is Fail.

Loki was pulled from the time stream because he was dead at the time. Not unlike how Thor was plucked during the time stream during the Thor Corps mini because Thor at that time was off being psycho in B & T.

Loki not knowing where he was doesn't mean he can't fight or defend himself.

And yes, Bill is great, but Loki's sorcery is consistently shown to be bothersome for the real Thor at the least and at higher levels have staggered the likes of Surtur.

Not sure what was shitty about that issue at all as it's pretty consistent with what Loki can do with illusions and the like in a combat setting.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Loki was pulled from the time stream because he was dead at the time. Not unlike how Thor was plucked during the time stream during the Thor Corps mini because Thor at that time was off being psycho in B & T.

Loki not knowing where he was doesn't mean he can't fight or defend himself.

And yes, Bill is great, but Loki's sorcery is consistently shown to be bothersome for the real Thor at the least and at higher levels have staggered the likes of Surtur.

Not sure what was shitty about that issue at all as it's pretty consistent with what Loki can do with illusions and the like in a combat setting.

Make a VS thread :
Loki NO PREP and confused as to what is going on VS Dargo, BRB, and Masterson Thor.

Let's see how long it stays open before a mod closes it for spite.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, no.

Make a VS thread :
Loki NO PREP and confused as to what is going on VS Dargo, BRB, and Masterson Thor.

Let's see how long it stays open before a mod closes it for spite.

"No" what? You don't like the feat so it's null and void here?

Make a versus thread based on a fight which already happened?

Have you read the issue in question? Loki not knowing his surroundings doesn't mean Loki can't defend himself, which he did. That's not even Loki's best feat.

Seriously, I have no idea why you're so up in arms over the feat. Have you even read the comic?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"No" what? You don't like the feat so it's null and void here?

Make a versus thread based on a fight which already happened?

Have you read the issue in question? Loki not knowing his surroundings doesn't mean Loki can't defend himself, which he did. That's not even Loki's best feat.

Seriously, I have no idea why you're so up in arms over the feat. Have you even read the comic?

Didn't Spiderman beat Firelord on panel? But I bet if you made a Firelord vs Spiderman thread it would be closed for spite. In fact, the Firelord/Spiderman fight is MORE believable than this bullsh|t because it was stated on panel by Firelord himself, that he was holding back.

Prepless Loki schooled not one but THREE Thor clones, two of which are competent warriors. The Thor clones weren't holding back, unlike Firelord.

And yes I read the entire arc.

Actually, upon re-reading issues #440 and #441, Loki wasn't confused at all. Zarko pulled him from the time stream and Loki was ready from the get-go as evidenced by his shit eating grin. As soon as he saw the Thor Corps, he leveled them with a blast (it's fair to note that they had been dealing with other enemies pulled from the timestream before Loki's arrival).

The only real confusion on Loki's part was when Zarko was trying to tell him that this was all part of his plan, which he couldn't recall. But it had no effect on his combat acumen, as evidenced by how he fared.

Originally posted by zopzop
I didn't say I didn't like the "feat", I said it was sh|tty writing.

Didn't Spiderman beat Firelord on panel? But I bet if you made a Firelord vs Spiderman thread it would be closed for spite. In fact, the Firelord/Spiderman fight is MORE believable than this bullsh|t because it was stated on panel by Firelord himself, that he was holding back.

Prepless Loki schooled not one but THREE Thor clones, two of which are competent warriors. The Thor clones weren't holding back, unlike Firelord.

And yes I read the entire arc.

How is it shitty writing? Because Loki was able to stagger the Thor Corps? Not all that shitty compared

Dude, don't equate Firelord/Spider-Man with Loki being able to stagger the Thor Corps with a blast, trick Bill with an illusion before taking him out and then dominating Masterson Thor in single combat. It's not even the same thing at all and comparing it as such is ridiculous.

The Thor Corps were more unaware than Loki was as evidenced by their collective shock. And really, Dargo's not all that competent a warrior in comparison to Masterson. He's overall more confident in himself, but Masterson has the better feats than Dargo does by a good margin.

And if you read the entire arc, you'd know that Loki appearing and dismissing the Thor Corps with a blast (none of them were KO'd and Dargo was off fighting Zarko's henchman, leaving Bill and Eric to face Loki), taking out Bill and owning Masterson wasn't nearly the shitty/PIS feat you're making it out to be.

Originally posted by SevenShackles

Keep in mind that occurred immediately after Loki arrived, and it was the Thor Corps was were confused and in shock over Loki's appearance more so than Loki himself.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How is it shitty writing? Because Loki was able to stagger the Thor Corps? Not all that shitty compared

Dude, don't equate Firelord/Spider-Man with Loki being able to stagger the Thor Corps with a blast, trick Bill with an illusion before taking him out and then dominating Masterson Thor in single combat. It's not even the same thing at all and comparing it as such is ridiculous.

The Thor Corps were more unaware than Loki was as evidenced by their collective shock. And really, Dargo's not all that competent a warrior in comparison to Masterson. He's overall more confident in himself, but Masterson has the better feats than Dargo does by a good margin.

And if you read the entire arc, you'd know that Loki appearing and dismissing the Thor Corps with a blast (none of them were KO'd and Dargo was off fighting Zarko's henchman, leaving Bill and Eric to face Loki), taking out Bill and owning Masterson wasn't nearly the shitty/PIS feat you're making it out to be.

Dargo really IS competent. He took out a being with KORVAC'S POWER. Thor himself failed to accomplish this.

Loki tooled them like feebs : Three Cl100 beings 2 of them wielding Mjolnirs and the other a hammer that's it's equal.

GTFOoH.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Keep in mind that occurred immediately after Loki arrived, and it was the Thor Corps was were confused and in shock over Loki's appearance more so than Loki himself.

Originally posted by zopzop
Firelord was holding back, this is stated by him ON PANEL; The Thor Corps did not! That's why the Loki/Thor Corps fight is even bigger BS than the Firelord/Spiderman one.

Dargo really IS competent. He took out a being with KORVAC'S POWER. Thor himself failed to accomplish this.

Loki tooled them like feebs : Three Cl100 beings 2 of them wielding Mjolnirs and the other a hammer that's it's equal.

GTFOoH.

Loki one shotted Bill and was choking out Masterson Thor. LOL.

facepalm

The Thor Corps were caught off guard by Loki, who clearly was more on his toes than they were (they were under the impression he was dead, after all).

Masterson Thor directly confronted Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. And really, if you were to compare the feats of Masterson and Dargo, Masterson would win ultimately. Dargo didn't doubt himself as much as Masterson did, but when Masterson was on his game, he was every bit as good as Dargo, if not better.

He blasted them away when he arrived (Dargo wasn't confronting Loki after that moment but Zarko's henchman), tricked Bill with an illusion, and dispatched him with sorcery (wasn't a one shot considering he attacked Bill prior to that) and then dominated Masterson Thor in combat with the Firesword (a weapon he's used to match the real Thor in combat before) and exploited his 60 second hammer weakness by disarming him.

You think it's PIS/shitty writing or otherwise inadmissible for the Thor Corps or Loki, get a mod ruling on it. Otherwise, at this point, it's literally you not liking the feat and throwing it out because you don't agree with it. And again, it's not even Loki's best feat. 😬

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
facepalm

Blah blah blah

And again, it's not even Loki's best feat. 😬

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Which feats? Im interested 😄

I'd say Loki turning Bor into snow and manipulating Odin to do his bidding are far more impressive than him attacking the Thor Corps. Also his showing against Surtur under Simonson comes to mind.

Ben "Poor Man's Colossus" Grimm and Simon get beat to hell.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
facepalm

The Thor Corps were caught off guard by Loki, who clearly was more on his toes than they were (they were under the impression he was dead, after all).

Masterson Thor directly confronted Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet. And really, if you were to compare the feats of Masterson and Dargo, Masterson would win ultimately. Dargo didn't doubt himself as much as Masterson did, but when Masterson was on his game, he was every bit as good as Dargo, if not better.

He blasted them away when he arrived (Dargo wasn't confronting Loki after that moment but Zarko's henchman), tricked Bill with an illusion, and dispatched him with sorcery (wasn't a one shot considering he attacked Bill prior to that) and then dominated Masterson Thor in combat with the Firesword (a weapon he's used to match the real Thor in combat before) and exploited his 60 second hammer weakness by disarming him.

You think it's PIS/shitty writing or otherwise inadmissible for the Thor Corps or Loki, get a mod ruling on it. Otherwise, at this point, it's literally you not liking the feat and throwing it out because you don't agree with it. And again, it's not even Loki's best feat. 😬

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'd say Loki turning Bor into snow and manipulating Odin to do his bidding are far more impressive than him attacking the Thor Corps. Also his showing against Surtur under Simonson comes to mind.

Odin was beaten by space ants once. So I'll chalk that Loki instance up to a low showing. Every one has them.

Originally posted by zopzop
It was sh|tty writing because Loki was just randomly plucked from the timestream and told to "sic'em" for lack of a better word.

He had no prep and confused as to what was going on yet he tooled three Thor clones.

BRB isn't some noob with his powers, he's given B&T Thor a good fight. He was absolutely beastly in Godkiller. Dargo outsmarted and beat Korvac's ancestor (who had Korvac's power by the way) by redirecting his attack back at him, even 616 Thor never thought of using that tactic vs Korvac. Of the three, only Masterson was the noob but it doesn't matter. It wasn't Masterson Thor vs Loki. It was Masterson Thor + BRB + Dargo vs Loki.

Fail writing is Fail.

So what? Loki was battle ready.

Bill is a veteran, but he's never fought Loki before or have anywhere near the experience Thor has against him. None of them do. So what? Bill was taken down by a surprise attack due to Loki's illusion, he's killed Bor with a surprise attack. Dargo didn't even fight Loki IIRC.

Whatever, you're just b*tching to b*tch at this point. Pointless noise.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah Masterson Thor had a Trans Tier being rockin' the Power Gem on his knees

but Loki did this to him :

See why I call BS? And this is after ONE SHOTTING BRB! 😆

He did nothing vs Surtur. And I thought Bor had his guard down, stated on panel. Don't Bor fans keep bringing that up every time that humiliation is brought up?

Odin was beaten by space ants once. So I'll chalk that Loki instance up to a low showing. Every one has them.

Masterson attacking Thanos mercilessly and willing to kill him has what kind of bearing on Loki disarming Masterson and having him revert to his mortal form? There's context to both showings and neither one renders the other "shitty". You're calling it BS to suit your own prerogative.

He staggered Surtur and even survived a blast from Twilight in addition to a swipe from it. 😐 Bor's explicit godly defenses were down, yes, but it still shows that Loki's transmutation is powerful enough to warp the All-Father of Asgard. Loki was also ready for Bor. Again, that showing isn't all that shitty.

Not sure how that's a low showing for them considering everything Loki's done on panel.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So what? Loki was battle ready.

Bill is a veteran, but he's never fought Loki before or have anywhere near the experience Thor has against him. None of them do. So what? Bill was taken down by a surprise attack due to Loki's illusion, he's killed Bor with a surprise attack. Dargo didn't even fight Loki IIRC.

Whatever, you're just b*tching to b*tch at this point. Pointless noise.

BRB and Dargo have gone up against beings just as powerful, if not MORE powerful than Loki, INDIVIDUALLY, and won . Yet Loki one shotted Bill and choked out Masterson Thor and swatted away Dargo.

🙄

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Masterson attacking Thanos mercilessly and willing to kill him has what kind of bearing on Loki disarming Masterson and having him revert to his mortal form? There's context to both showings and neither one renders the other "shitty". You're calling it BS to suit your own prerogative.

He staggered Surtur and even survived a blast from Twilight in addition to a swipe from it. 😐 Bor's explicit godly defenses were down, yes, but it still shows that Loki's transmutation is powerful enough to warp the All-Father of Asgard. Loki was also ready for Bor. Again, that showing isn't all that shitty.

Not sure how that's a low showing for them considering everything Loki's done on panel.

Loki beating Thor corps is PIS at its finest.