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juggerman Senior Member

Damborgson King of the Damboys

Adding King Piccolo was a real nice touch

juggerman Senior Member

Gast says he's searching for a challenging where he can so it's possible, even likely, he lowered his PL against Cell Jr. so the fight would be more interesting to him. He's probably around Vegito level

Damborgson King of the Damboys

I don't think so, he was awfully worried by Vegitos power.

juggerman Senior Member

I wouldn't say he was "awfully worried". As I said he should be around that power meaning Vegito and Broly were possibly the only credible threats he's ever come across:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-216.html#h_read

Don't look scared to me. More like he knows he has actual competition.

Also Buu seemed pretty darn impressed during the Vegito vs Broly fight:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-10.html#h_read

But he still seems to believe he can beat Vegito without question even at full power:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-233.html#h_read

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by juggerman
I wouldn't say he was "awfully worried". As I said he should be around that power meaning Vegito and Broly were possibly the only credible threats he's ever come across:
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-216.html#h_read
Don't look scared to me. More like he knows he has actual competition.
Also Buu seemed pretty darn impressed during the Vegito vs Broly fight:
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-10.html#h_read
But he still seems to believe he can beat Vegito without question even at full power:
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-233.html#h_read

Can you post all of these scenes from the scans you posted above please?

juggerman Senior Member

Just read thru the story yourself:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-0.html

Start here and just continue on

carver9 Senior Member

Thanks

Damborgson King of the Damboys

Originally posted by juggerman
I wouldn't say he was "awfully worried". As I said he should be around that power meaning Vegito and Broly were possibly the only credible threats he's ever come across:
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-216.html#h_read
Don't look scared to me. More like he knows he has actual competition.
Also Buu seemed pretty darn impressed during the Vegito vs Broly fight:
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-10.html#h_read
But he still seems to believe he can beat Vegito without question even at full power:
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-233.html#h_read

He doesn't sound so sure to me.

Fast doesn't react too much, he was awfully worried considering all mystic Gohan did was make him open his eyes. He had to look away from Vegito and was standing tentatively watching the match, its not like someone who spends most of the tourney with his eyes closed.

Yeah, but Buu thought he could beat Vegito when they first met too. Its well understood how arrogant he is.

juggerman Senior Member

Originally posted by Damborgson

He doesn't sound so sure to me.
Fast doesn't react too much, he was awfully worried considering all mystic Gohan did was make him open his eyes. He had to look away from Vegito and was standing tentatively watching the match, its not like someone who spends most of the tourney with his eyes closed.
Yeah, but Buu thought he could beat Vegito when they first met too. Its well understood how arrogant he is.

Can't open that link for some reason. What page are you referring to?

I never said Gast was SSJ3 Vegito level tho. But he should be somewhere in that area the way he effortlessly took control of Buu:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-744.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-745.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-746.html#h_read

Buu is arrogant but this Buu has absorbed the most intelligent people in his universe plus he absorbed Goku and Vegeta after they've felt the power of Vegito. He would be intimately familiar with Vegito. He isn't just talking out of his ass

Damborgson King of the Damboys

Ah, its the one where the fights over and Fast says, an infinite power...but I need my wish (paraphrasing) while looking worried again.

You kinda did "he's probably around Vegito level" if thats not what you meant at all, don't pussy foot around with wording 👍

I attributed that to magic, or a trick of some sort. Not to say its not impressive of course. But if he could do that with just the sheer force of his children, he really wouldn't have much to worry about.

Yamcha Desert Bandit

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juggerman Senior Member

Originally posted by Damborgson
Ah, its the one where the fights over and Fast says, an infinite power...but I need my wish (paraphrasing) while looking worried again.
You kinda did "he's probably around Vegito level" if thats not what you meant at all, don't pussy foot around with wording 👍
I attributed that to magic, or a trick of some sort. Not to say its not impressive of course. But if he could do that with just the sheer force of his children, he really wouldn't have much to worry about.

That infinite power quote to be for Broly as his power just kept increasing with no limit. I don't think Vegito would be considered to have infinite power

Buu and Vegito are probably close in strength. We can't know for sure but again Buu would be intimately aware of Vegito's power having absorbed both Goku and Vegeta and if he believes he can beat Vegito, we can assume he at least believes he can. With all that being said, Gast seemed didn't seem overwhelmed at Vegito's power. Look at how almost everyone reacted to Broly vs Vegito:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-196.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-202.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-216.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-218.html#h_read

They were basically shitting their pants. But not Gast. And I didn't mean that I don't think Gast is a match for SSJ3 Vegito. I think he is. I personally think his is but I just don't have the hard evidence to back it up yet which is why I said "around his level"

And Gast said "strength is nothing". That kinda tells me even he believes he he can still win in the face of what he just saw felt:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-267.html#h_read

It might have been magic. It might not have been. Either way Gast is clearly a threat to that level of fighter

Damborgson King of the Damboys

Originally posted by juggerman
That infinite power quote to be for Broly as his power just kept increasing with no limit. I don't think Vegito would be considered to have infinite power
Buu and Vegito are probably close in strength. We can't know for sure but again Buu would be intimately aware of Vegito's power having absorbed both Goku and Vegeta and if he believes he can beat Vegito, we can assume he at least believes he can. With all that being said, Gast seemed didn't seem overwhelmed at Vegito's power. Look at how almost everyone reacted to Broly vs Vegito:
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-196.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-202.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-216.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-218.html#h_read
They were basically shitting their pants. But not Gast. And I didn't mean that I don't think Gast is a match for SSJ3 Vegito. I think he is. I personally think his is but I just don't have the hard evidence to back it up yet which is why I said "around his level"
And Gast said "strength is nothing". That kinda tells me even he believes he he can still win in the face of what he just saw felt:
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-267.html#h_read
It might have been magic. It might not have been. Either way Gast is clearly a threat to that level of fighter

They were all talking about Vegito, Gast included. Kai said he was invincible, though obviously that's not true, it's just a way of expressing their astonishment.

It's the difference in reaction from every other scene that makes it evident he's worried though. He's beyond stoic, almost non responsive. Vegito changes that demeanor completely.

Strength is nothing, because he needs to win. At least that's my interpretation, you'll notice cell also thinks he can improve enough to be a challenge.

Sure, he can be a threat. He's not weaksauce by any means. Just from what I've seen, he's probably #4 or 5 strongest.

juggerman Senior Member

Originally posted by Damborgson
They were all talking about Vegito, Gast included. Kai said he was invincible, though obviously that's not true, it's just a way of expressing their astonishment.
It's the difference in reaction from every other scene that makes it evident he's worried though. He's beyond stoic, almost non responsive. Vegito changes that demeanor completely.
Strength is nothing, because he needs to win. At least that's my interpretation, you'll notice cell also thinks he can improve enough to be a challenge.
Sure, he can be a threat. He's not weaksauce by any means. Just from what I've seen, he's probably #4 or 5 strongest.

Vegito doesn't have infinite power tho. Only Broly does. And it was clear that Vegito was worn out after the fight so to think anyone would assume his power has no limits is silly. The only one ever to be considered in that way here was Broly

I already said I do think he was concerned but that's quite different than him thinking he is outmatched. As I stated earlier, Vegito(and Broly) might have been the only ones he thinks so far would be an actual challenge for him. Hence a reaction even tho it was a minimal one

Or strength is nothing because there are other ways to win outside of just slugging it out. But still "unlimited strength" is a comment referring only to Broly. We can't really compare Cell's mindset to Gast's imo

Well we can't be completely sure either way since he's only fought people that were far inferior to him so far. I just think they are building him up to be one of the top dogs. #1-3 I'd imagine

Damborgson King of the Damboys

Originally posted by juggerman
Vegito doesn't have infinite power tho. Only Broly does. And it was clear that Vegito was worn out after the fight so to think anyone would assume his power has no limits is silly. The only one ever to be considered in that way here was Broly
I already said I do think he was concerned but that's quite different than him thinking he is outmatched. As I stated earlier, Vegito(and Broly) might have been the only ones he thinks so far would be an actual challenge for him. Hence a reaction even tho it was a minimal one
Or strength is nothing because there are other ways to win outside of just slugging it out. But still "unlimited strength" is a comment referring only to Broly. We can't really compare Cell's mindset to Gast's imo
Well we can't be completely sure either way since he's only fought people that were far inferior to him so far. I just think they are building him up to be one of the top dogs. #1-3 I'd imagine

I don't think he was being literal, it makes sense to me that he'd use such a term to describe it because Vegito blew away someone with "infinite power" and considering everyone else before was talking about Vegito, it's still to think he wasn't.

I know, but I explained why my version makes more sense. I guess I don't know what type of reaction you were expecting from someone as stoic as Gast.

Yeah that's possible, he's probably betting on those other ways if he wants to win. Doesn't make sense for it to be Broly, because Broly was eliminated, hence not a worry anymore (More or less)

There is a zero chance that he's #1. 3 maybe, since even though Buu probably has higher chi, what's to say he can't just turn him into a ball again if they fight. But there's some crazy shit going on with XXI and Vegito Obviously, then there was Broly.

juggerman Senior Member

Originally posted by Damborgson
I don't think he was being literal, it makes sense to me that he'd use such a term to describe it because Vegito blew away someone with "infinite power" and considering everyone else before was talking about Vegito, it's still to think he wasn't.
I know, but I explained why my version makes more sense. I guess I don't know what type of reaction you were expecting from someone as stoic as Gast.
Yeah that's possible, he's probably betting on those other ways if he wants to win. Doesn't make sense for it to be Broly, because Broly was eliminated, hence not a worry anymore (More or less)
There is a zero chance that he's #1. 3 maybe, since even though Buu probably has higher chi, what's to say he can't just turn him into a ball again if they fight. But there's some crazy shit going on with XXI and Vegito Obviously, then there was Broly.

If you look back at the entire encounter(and even the backstory of Broly given in the comic) we see that his power is continually referred to as infinite or unlimited or something along those lines. Never once was Vegito referred to in that way(to my knowledge anyway). To just assume Gast meant him doesn't really follow anything we've seen up to or since. There's no real reason for Gast to assume Vegito's power is unlimited given what we know and what he's seen. Hell Vegito was significantly weakened after that bout, clearly his power has limits and Gast would be well aware of them.

If you assume for a second that Gast is somewhere in the range of Vegito(maybe sightly stronger or weaker) then his reaction makes perfect sense. He hasn't felt one PL that came anywhere close to his level yet hence his demeanor. But once he felt one creeping up, he started paying attention. I guess it can go either way.

Broly opened his eyes tho. He probably thought he would slice thru this tournament like butter. He just realized there is more to these competitors than he thought. Broly was still fresh in his gray matter tho

I think XXI is shaping up to be the big bad or at least will have something to do with the baddie. What ever is the main villain, that should be #1 but I can see Gast as superior to Buu and possibly Vegito too. But Bardock did have that vision of Vegito possibly killing Gohan and Bra telling Goku and Vegeta that no one can beat him. I think that's where Gast will step up and take Vegito down. Or at least attempt to

juggerman Senior Member

Hold on to your butts:

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1165.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1166.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1167.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1168.html#h_read

Yamcha Desert Bandit

Originally posted by juggerman
Hold on to your butts:
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1165.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1166.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1167.html#h_read
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1168.html#h_read

Woah that design for Cold is awesome! Hopefully Bra agreeing to the stipulations and how hot headed she is will make her screw up and get her knocked out of the tourny, I'd much rather see Cold move forward.

Guess this shows he was holding back against Bardock.

juggerman Senior Member

Originally posted by Yamcha
Woah that design for Cold is awesome! Hopefully Bra agreeing to the stipulations and how hot headed she is will make her screw up and get her knocked out of the tourny, I'd much rather see Cold move forward.
Guess this shows he was holding back against Bardock.

I doubt he was holding back. Remember Buu was running around giving everyone boosts the night before. I think this is his doing