"Could Link have stopped Epona in her tracks? Yes. Would it calm down a spooked horse? No. Even a quick google search says youre meant to calm horses down, not manhandle them."
And I take it Zant doesn't get his own summons then? :T
Originally posted by quanchi112
He can lift stationary objects
Originally posted by quanchi112
As per game Link can close the distance and her dark matter soldiers are far faster. They are going to overwhelm him the moment he shows up while attacking. She can heal from his attacks as well.
Secondly I've been shown a clip (lazy Quan is lazy) and the summons are fast in a Peak human way. Nothing spectacular in that clip, and unless Im missing some scene theres nothing to mention here. Do show if you have something showing them above peak human, cause until then..
Nor does 'they're fast' counter Zant's own speed. Or the fact that he can just teleport from danger or ForcePush away anyone that gets close. And unless they can fly, how will they counter his flight? How will they tag him with all these, especially if he's on the defensive/range?
Zant is strong enough to stomp on and easily tip the Goron boss arena, that large rock. Then theres the fact that Zant is in 'toe stubbing' pain when Link smashes him with the Ball&Chain, which even if you disagree with Link's strength you have nothing to go against the damage it lands, which Zant can take. What strength feats have the dark summons got to compare to Zant's strength and durability?
How will she handle being drowned? Drowned in corrosive acid? Drowned in lava? Or having a limbs/head being slashed at, cut off or just being crushed by a house sized Zant? What would happen if he drops Twilight over her, does she have the resistance for something that can soul**** a land filled with humans and Gorons?
Originally posted by BloodRainHe needed to overpower her so strength is an absolute. You need to establish dominance over the animal not some girlie boy.
"Could Link have stopped Epona in her tracks? Yes. Would it calm down a spooked horse? No. Even a quick google search says youre meant to calm horses down, not manhandle them."And I take it Zant doesn't get his own summons then? :T
Once again plainly admitting that Link has the superhuman strength to lift and throw Gorons? All we needed. You can go one about thinking he cant apply it but its fruitless when you state he has that strength to lift and throw Gorons.
Not much of a counter.. To start with Link only closed the distance with specific ranged weapons and utilizing the environment. Can you prove that the summons have the means to replicate this?
Secondly I've been shown a clip (lazy Quan is lazy) and the summons are fast in a Peak human way. Nothing spectacular in that clip, and unless Im missing some scene theres nothing to mention here. Do show if you have something showing them above peak human, cause until then..
Nor does 'they're fast' counter Zant's own speed. Or the fact that he can just teleport from danger or ForcePush away anyone that gets close. And unless they can fly, how will they counter his flight? How will they tag him with all these, especially if he's on the defensive/range?
Zant is strong enough to stomp on and easily tip the Goron boss arena, that large rock. Then theres the fact that Zant is in 'toe stubbing' pain when Link smashes him with the Ball&Chain, which even if you disagree with Link's strength you have nothing to go against the damage it lands, which Zant can take. What strength feats have the dark summons got to compare to Zant's strength and durability?
How will she handle being drowned? Drowned in corrosive acid? Drowned in lava? Or having a limbs/head being slashed at, cut off or just being crushed by a house sized Zant? What would happen if he drops Twilight over her, does she have the resistance for something that can soul**** a land filled with humans and Gorons?
Zant mainly fought by himself so no.
In a fight if you don't have the weight to resist someone actively resist you then its called a dead lift with the weight stopping then lifting. That's what link can do. Very easy to bench 150 but harder to manhandle 150 pound person actively resisting you. He can lift them when his anchor gives him the strength/weight to resist him or it into a stationary dead weight.
There are more than one dark matter form so its even harder since its more stimuli for Zant to have to account for than just Link.
So you admit you started debating without knowing anything about her despite already reaching a conclusion. That's the definition of bias.
Faster than Link so there's that.
Zant didn't do so against Link so relax with your power set debating type of bias.
Zant is controlling the environment so he isn't strong enough he just control over the environment.
She can survive being burned and easily so I don't see why not. Dropping twilight over her would do nothing since you have never understood why its even possible to drop twilight on anyone in the first place.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No. Overpowering her a d establishing dominance can be done without hurting her. Class 100's can do this easily.
Link calmed Epona down successfully. He didn't need to do anything else.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteI am not a class 100 if I was I'd do so and post a video mocking Link doing so.
You go ahead and go to a horse farm, find a freaked out horse, and try to calm it down by wrestling with it. Tell me how that goes.Link calmed Epona down successfully. He didn't need to do anything else.
He can be tossed off and has to really push himself doing so. That's not class 100 stuff.
Originally posted by quanchi112So what you're saying is that horse handlers do not overpower their horses to calm them down. Good. Concession accepted.
I am not a class 100 if I was I'd do so and post a video mocking Link doing so.He can be tossed off and has to really push himself doing so. That's not class 100 stuff.
You going to provide a feat for Ravenna?
Originally posted by ScreamPasteIf they jumped on and it went wild they'd have to just like Link had to.
They do not overpower horses to calm them down. You agree, I agree. Good.Image unrelated.
So you can't provide a feat? Zant wins.
I don't have to educate you. Video game versus is clearly an odd place.
Originally posted by quanchi112If they jumped on it and it went wild, they're now trying not to be killed, they are not wrestling with it, and horse handlers do not wrestle horses.
If they jumped on and it went wild they'd have to just like Link had to.I don't have to educate you. Video game versus is clearly an odd place.
You have to support your argument. No feats no bueno. Zant is a fast, durable, and powerful reality warper who can turn her into a fish.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteIf its going wild and they are strong enough they would try to establish dominance over it.
If they jumped on it and it went wild, they're now trying not to be [b]killed, they are not wrestling with it, and horse handlers do not wrestle horses.You have to support your argument. No feats no bueno. Zant is a fast, durable, and powerful reality warper who can turn her into a fish. [/B]
Ravenna can heal and her dark matter can overwhelm Zant who had trouble with one enemy despite his advantageous powers over Link.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If its going wild and they are strong enough they would try to establish dominance over it.Ravenna can heal and her dark matter can overwhelm Zant who had trouble with one enemy despite his advantageous powers over Link.
Zant suffered no ill effects from being blown up from the inside out, he was not even KO'd, prove she can do anything to him that compares to the Fused Shadows. 🙂 Also, she can 'heal' from being transformed into a slice of pie/fish/deck of cards/couch/bacon strip?