While I have no doubt that Imperiex can unleash a massive/large-scale Entropy rift, he never actually did so on panel-- thus I cannot call it an 'in character' tactic for him. For that reason alone, the GE wins.
However, IF Imperiex were to unleash an Entropy rift, he wins. In DC, Entropy>Death-- we saw this when Black Flash(ie. Death) was literally erased by running into Entropy.
Originally posted by Galan007
While I have no doubt that Imperiex can unleash a massive/large-scale Entropy rift, he never actually did so on panel-- thus I cannot call it an 'in character' tactic for him. For that reason alone, the GE wins.However, IF Imperiex were to unleash an Entropy rift, he wins. In DC, Entropy>Death-- we saw this when Black Flash(ie. Death) was literally erased by running into Entropy.
I don't dispute the "in character" tactic theory, but you've got to apply it to both sides.
We never actually saw the Galactus Engine unleash any attack of any kind. All we got were accounts of 616's "Abstracts" (who weren't abstracts /shrug) struggling to hold it back.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ True, but in defense of the GE, multiple universal powers were containing it throughout the entire event... It really couldn't attack.Heck, the simple fact that it took multiple universal powers just to keep the GE at bay, speaks volumes about its power.
All true, but we know jack shit about it's offensive power except that it was "weaponized", whatever the hell that means.
Originally posted by Galan007
Can't deny that. Logically, though, I'd imagine it would be on par(from an offensive standpoint) with the same universal powers that it took to contain it. /shrug
Maybe. It also took DC's version of Eternity (Kismet) and Imperiex's own power turned against him (Aegis) to defeat him. It took Entropy to destroy the shell containing entropy. Can the GE replicate that kind of firepower before Imperiex destroys him?
Remember, Imperiex destroyed entire galaxies easily before the likes of Superman and co. got involved, so he's got some seriously potent offensive feats working on his side.
Originally posted by CogitoIt is nearly impossible to say what the GE unleashed can do.
Maybe. It also took DC's version of Eternity (Kismet) and Imperiex's own power turned against him (Aegis) to defeat him. It took Entropy to destroy the shell containing entropy. Can the GE replicate that kind of firepower before Imperiex destroys him?
However, given that its battle with the 'abstracts' took place primarily on a metaphysical plane of actuality that not even Surfer or Quasar could perceive, it certainly comes off as powerful enough to stalemate multiple universal powers simultaneously, imo:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15819347/ThanImp_3_PeterWatts_CPS_005.jpg.html
Originally posted by CogitoGalactus has destroyed a galaxy as well. Yet he + 4 additional Celestials were still "barely" able to hold back the GE:
Remember, Imperiex destroyed entire galaxies easily before the likes of Superman and co. got involved, so he's got some seriously potent offensive feats working on his side.
Originally posted by Galan007
That enormous 'thing' in your scan isn't the MAOs, friend. That is the Cancerverse itself(hence why the Avengers only mention seeing the Cancerverse, and not the MAOs.)Quasar had taken note of this fact much earlier in the saga:
"I see it now! I see it all! Their universe! Disgusting! An abomination! Pulsing with corrupt life! One giant, twisted organic mass! Their whole universe is a deathless corpse! A cancer trying to metastasize into our reality!"The space around the Cancerverse(in both of our scans) is evidently just the rest of the dimension it is housed in. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
I entirely disagree.He's staring at the enormous 'thing', and makes the following statement:
"I see it now!"
"I see it all!"
"Their universe!"
"Disgusting!"
"An abomination!"
"Pulsing with corrupt life!"
"One giant, twisted organic mass!"
"Their whole universe is a deathless corpse!"
"A cancer trying to metastasize into our reality!"
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15818610/rok_25-26.jpg.htmlClearly the grotesque mass Quasar was looking at was the entire Cancerverse.
That is why the Avengers also referred to the same grotesque mass explicitly as "the Cancerverse":
To further solidify my point, here's a bio on the Cancerverse:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15818964/img008.jpg.html
"The universe became a gigantic, twisted, organic mass that has been consumed by the Many-Angled Ones."So again: that 'thing'/'mass' is the Cancerverse.
Also, while the bio reference is good, I doubt Bendis gave that any thought when he wrote that issue.
In any case, I'd appreciate if you could confirm whether the Fault was mentioned in that Avengers Assemble issue.
Plus, before you go ahead and accuse me of arguing just to argue, I'd like to point out that's not the case here. I am just sharing my opinion, and seeking out clarifications(the Fault thing) here.
Edit: Seeing how you managed to shut abhi up with this explanation, I might as well drop this discussion with you. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
However, given that its battle with the 'abstracts' took place primarily
on a metaphysical plane of actuality that not even Surfer or Quasar
could perceive, it certainly comes off as powerful enough to stalemate
multiple universal powers simultaneously, imo:
... jeesh, I'm out the loop.
Originally posted by Galan007
Galactus has destroyed a galaxy as well. Yet he + 4 additional Celestials were still "barely" able to hold back the GE:
