Sabastian Shaw vs Starkhawk

If his standard operating power level is "Give Korvac a decent fight" (Which I've read about back in the day, but otherwise know nothing of the character), them yeah, Starhawk loses.

Glancing at a wiki, it looks like there's been several incarnations of Starhawk though..

we go by most powerful incarnation + even the least powerful one is far above Shaw, unless we claim "infinite potential" for his absorption

Originally posted by Oliver North
we go by most powerful incarnation + even the least powerful one is far above Shaw, unless we claim "infinite potential" for his absorption

Actually, unless specified in by the thread op, it's current version at their best.

That's why thread posters keep saying "Pre New 52 Superman", for example.

Starhawk

ok... the distinctions between the versions still doesn't matter...

The question would be relevant to the Thor vs Starhawk thread, but even then, only to a matter of degrees.

"Dark Starhawk" is a different character altogether with different powers (though probably stronger than Starhawk proper). There is the version that shares a body with Aleta and the version that doesn't. The version that does can amp his strength up to cl 100+ and is able to make crude light constructs (nothing compared to what Aleta can do, so I generally even ignore this power for forum purposes). The version without Aleta is a considerably stronger light manipulator and can got FTL instantly, where it takes a couple of seconds to get there in the Aleta. Additionally, Starhawk without Aleta has feats where he physically stabilized the Guardians' ship as it traveled through space, something that is at least a cl 100+ feat, so it is arguable that Aleta gives him anything huge aside from limited light constructs, however, Aleta does have a higher physical durability.

CIS on, neither version of Starhawk would ever straight out physically attack Shaw, not to mention a mixture of cosmic awareness + the whole "one who knows" thing would mean he knows about Shaw's powers (and if not, he has feats where he scans people like Surfer to find out what has hurt them, etc, he could piece the "don't get physical with Shaw" thing together fairly quickly).

With the exception of access to crude light constructs and durability that would be irrelevant in this fight anyways, current Starhawk is the most powerful, and still, there is no version that doesn't WTFstomp Shaw, unless we assume he has infinite absorption... and afaik Storm has overloaded him in the past.

Originally posted by Oliver North
shaw may indeed be amazing, however, to the point of this thread, there is still literally nothing he could do to Starhawk

sh wins

Originally posted by Galan007
I know nothing about Starhawk, and am certainly not opposed to him winning... But how does he go about doing so, iyo? Energy overload?

it would have to be, really

Shaw has been overloaded three times in his life, storm's lightning which should be PIS, falling from orbit while his weight was highly increased by Harry Leland and by Magneto. He could win but I see starhawk overloading him most of the time. He wouldn't beat shaw directly though. Just IMO.

^ Storm overloading Shaw with lightning can definitely be written-off as PIS, given the plethora of uber energies he's absorbed since then w/o any problems.

Shaw being overloaded by falling from orbit can also be written-off as PIS, given that he fell from orbit/near-orbit a few years back during UXM, and all it did was empower him.

The Magneto thing is still usable, I suppose. It just seems awfully dumb that Shaw was 'overloaded' just by Mags dropping a bunch of metal on him. 👇

so, is the argument then, "Yes, I am going to use the infinite potential fallacy in favor of Shaw" and "no it doesn't matter that he has been overloaded in the past"?

Because the upper limit of Starhawk's powers have never been shown, and if I got to throw out appearances I didn't like... Hell, Starhawk may be low Skyfather!!!

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Storm overloading Shaw with lightning can definitely be written-off as PIS, given the plethora of uber energies he's absorbed since then w/o any problems.

Shaw being overloaded by falling from orbit can also be written-off as PIS, given that he fell from orbit/near-orbit a few years back during UXM, and all it did was empower him.

The Magneto thing is still usable, I suppose. It just seems awfully dumb that Shaw was 'overloaded' just by Mags dropping a bunch of metal on him. 👇

IIRC magneto actively crushed him, pressing the metal against his body, so it wasn't a matter of the metal's weight

What's stopping Starhawk from moving at FTL speeds and putting Shaw in a full nelson then dragging his ass at FTL speeds into an oxygen deprived environment?

Or better yet, Starhawk's strength level is enough for him to engage CL100 characters like Thor in H2H battle. What's stopping Starhawk from pulling a "Tigra" and choking Shaw out. He's infinitely FASTER and STRONGER than she is.

Or he can overload him.

Or he can blind his @$$.

I can't see Shaw winning a single match.

👆

Originally posted by zopzop
What's stopping Starhawk from moving at FTL speeds and putting Shaw in a full nelson then dragging his ass at FTL speeds into an oxygen deprived environment?

Or better yet, Starhawk's strength level is enough for him to engage CL100 characters like Thor in H2H battle. What's stopping Starhawk from pulling a "Tigra" and choking Shaw out. He's infinitely FASTER and STRONGER than she is.

Or he can overload him.

Or he can blind his @$$.

I can't see Shaw winning a single match.

👆

Originally posted by zopzop
I can't see Shaw winning a single match.

Bottom line is Starhawk can explore different options to win while Shaw pretty much has none.

Starhawk has superspeed, flight, intangibility... How can Shaw even touch him?

Shaw wins.

Originally posted by Oliver North
so, is the argument then, "Yes, I am going to use the infinite potential fallacy in favor of Shaw" and "no it doesn't matter that he has been overloaded in the past"?

I merely pointed out some inconsistencies regarding a few of Shaw's past 'overloads', which render them PIS. Nothing more. srsly

Well for me I was going with standard Starhawk.

Originally posted by Galan007
Who said anything about Shaw having 'infinite potential'? Why are you getting so defensive?

I merely pointed out some inconsistencies regarding a few of Shaw's past 'overloads', which render them PIS. Nothing more. srsly

I'm not getting defensive, maybe I don't get what you are saying... you are discussing Shaw's absorption with no relevance to the fight? Like, you aren't arguing for Shaw?

Do you think it's impossible for SH to overload him? Like, maybe I don't understand Shaw well enough, but do you think Iron Man would have difficulty with him? Thor? Surfer?