Originally posted by 753
or to high abstract if we go by age of x
Originally posted by -Pr-
Legion is WAY above herald.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerodin and kubik do not, to my knwoledge, have a reality warp feat on par with taking the universe, breaking it into raw stuff and putting it in a box within a pocket reality surounded by nothingness and then taking said raw stuff and reconfiguring it back into the universe. as that puts him well above eternity/infinity, I believe it makes him a high-end abstract.
I wouldn't go that far. His best feats have always been universal in scale, nothing that overshadows the high-end feats of people like Odin or Kubik, so low Abstract is a generous placement.Depends on the version of Legion.
Originally posted by TheGodKillermost of his other powers are not individually above high herald, though timesink and origamist should be at least trans IMO, but considering their collective implications and hsi increasing capacity to shuffle through them at will, I'd say he is above HH too.
Barring the reality warping personalities, what feats of his suggest that he's above herald level?
Originally posted by 753
odin and kubik do not, to my knwoledge, have a reality warp feat on par with taking the universe, breaking it into raw stuff and putting it in a box within a pocket reality surounded by nothingness and then taking said raw stuff and reconfiguring it back into the universe. as that puts him well above eternity/infinity, I believe it makes him a high-end abstract.
That feat does not in any way, shape or form, put him beyond Eternity/Infinity.
Originally posted by 753
most of his other powers are not individually above high herald, though timesink and origamist should be at least trans IMO, but considering their collective implications and hsi increasing capacity to shuffle through them at will, I'd say he is above HH too.
Originally posted by TheGodKillercorrect me if I'm wrong, but the beyonderverse at that point was really just a pocket universe smaller than the 616. merging thanos with the 616 isn't warping the 616.
Kubik gesturely warped the Beyonderverse into a palm sized ball of fluff. Not to mention that his power merged Thanos' essence with the 616-universe. Odin controlled and redirected universe-destroying energies. These feats may not be exactly the same as that Moira Mactaggert scene with Legion, but they are roughly of the same scale.That feat does [b]not
in any way, shape or form, put him beyond Eternity/Infinity. [/B]
Odin manipulating energies that could potentially wipe out the 616 is nowhere near as impressive IMO.
I figure any power that can definitely do as it pleases to a universe is above eternity/infinity insofar as they make up that universe. of course, the concept of a multi-eternity (and presumably infinity) that's been introduced is far above any universal warper, I'm refering to the 616 manifestation of eternity.
out of curiosity, where would you rank mad jim jaspers?
Originally posted by TheGodKilleryes tp too.
We aren't talking about his theoretical potential here, rather his averages, and his averages don't indicate that he's beyond herald level. Btw, tp is also another power that should be beyond herald level for him, seeing how he's above Xavier who in turn treats high heralds like children on the telepathic stage.
Originally posted by 753
correct me if I'm wrong, but the beyonderverse at that point was really just a pocket universe smaller than the 616. merging thanos with the 616 isn't warping the 616.Odin manipulating energies that could potentially wipe out the 616 is nowhere near as impressive IMO.
I figure any power that can definitely do as it pleases to a universe is above eternity/infinity insofar as they make up that universe. of course, the concept of a multi-eternity (and presumably infinity) that's been introduced is far above any universal warper, I'm refering to the 616 manifestation of eternity.
out of curiosity, where would you rank mad jim jaspers?
Merging Thanos with the whole universe, using a reality warping artifact, isn't an instance of reality warping? Really?
Most of the so-called "universal powers" manipulate a physical universe as they please. Eternity/Infinity are metaphycial embodiments of time and space. Playing around with a universe does not put you beyond them.
I don't like delving into that character. Suffice to say, I don't believe he's beyond the resident Marvel Abstracts.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller👆
It got retconned into a pocket universe later on. At the time Kubik performed that feat, I believe it was intended to be a separate universe, created from the Beyonder's uncontrollable energies.
Merging Thanos with the whole universe, using a reality warping artifact, isn't an instance of reality warping? Really?
but legion and some others have also warped spacetime, not just the matter/energy content
Most of the so-called "universal powers" manipulate a physical universe as they please. Eternity/Infinity are metaphycial embodiments of time and space. Playing around with a universe does not put you beyond them.
alright
I don't like delving into that character. Suffice to say, I don't believe he's beyond the resident Marvel Abstracts.
Originally posted by 753
it's not an instance of him warping the whole 616 universe, which was my point. sure, he warped thanos to merge him with the unvierse and it's a good feat, but not on par with age of x.
Not to mention that the cube literally undid the omnipotent, universe-sized Thanos in a split second in that very issue.
Originally posted by 753
but legion and some others have also warped spacetime, not just the matter/energy content
A universe-changing reality alteration isn't a universe warp?
Eternity and Infinity aren't physical beings. At all. It has been repeatedly confirmed that they are metaphysical entities, conceptual beings, purely Abstract in form and structure. Abstract concepts are not quantifiable. Space, time, matter, energy etc are. Being what Eternity/Infinity are is as far from physical as one gets.
Then they're well above Legion as well.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
A universe-changing reality alteration isn't a universe warp?Eternity and Infinity aren't physical beings. At all. It has been repeatedly confirmed that they are metaphysical entities, conceptual beings, purely Abstract in form and structure. Abstract concepts are not quantifiable. Space, time, matter, energy etc are. Being what Eternity/Infinity are is as far from physical as one gets.
Then they're well above Legion as well.
no, it's kind of meh
they've been treated as the embodyment of the (physical) universe too, and if the universe is destroyed, they don't survive it.