Avengers Hulk vs. Hulk vs. The incredible Hulk

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yep.

Not only has Ang Lee's Hulk already shown beastly strength (tossing tanks like toys), durability (taking a nuke and showing instantaneous healing abilities), speed (catching and chasing rockets), agility (pretty much flying for miles into the sky)..

But on top of all that even IF Ruffalo Hulk still has the superior striking power/base strength (quite likely), it won't matter too much given how quickly Lee's Hulk adapts and grows bigger and stronger.

Agreed. This was my original idea of how Lee's Hulk will win this fight eventually.

Avengers Hulk will get some good blows in that stagger or launch Lee's Hulk back. But he will just heal the damage.
Once they wrestle each other Ang Lee's Hulk simply adapts and grows strong enough to equal or possibly surpass Whedon's version.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well it was clearly a powerful detonation to which Ross told Betty that there's no way he could have survived that.

I won't rule out the other 2 having healing factors. But like you've pointed out that since Lee's Hulk is the only one who has clearly shown that ability I will assume his is at the very least the most powerful/efficient healing factor of all the Hulks.

On the other hand since we never saw Ruffalo Hulk cut, I will assume he has the toughest skin of all the Hulks.

It was a gigantic green cloud-bubble. But if you notice the next day as the camera pans over the clam lake, all is normal, the trees by the lake were fine, nothing looked disturbed. Leads me to believe it was just gamma radiation.

Ang's just got a cut on the trapezius after he jumped away from a carpet bombing (which is another battle-cunning feat of his)

Norton's Hulk (which is supposed to be the same as Avengers) didn't really heal much, he just stopped bleeding quickly from his wounds.

Avenger's only suffered a nose bleed after the Chitauri bombardment.

Ang Lee Hulk.

Simply because his rage amp and healing worked faster than Ruffalo Huk's.

Avengers Hulk.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Avengers Hulk.

Ang Lee's Hulk.

Should we take a vote? Ang Lee's Hulk.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well Hulk's punch stopped the Leviathan, but it was IM's missile that made it explode.

That said, none of IM's arsenal could penetrate the leviathan's armor (the missile only worked because Hulk's punch opened up the leviathan's armor) whereas Hulk had no problem getting a piece of metal and jamming it into the leviathan's neck through the armor.

Still when I think about it, the Avenger's Hulk was a bit more down-to-earth than Ang Lee Hulk, though not much so as Norton Hulk.

I still think that the only big advantage Ang Lee's hulk has is pure speed... running speed. Ruffalo seemed to be much quicker with his punches and he is far more skilled and experienced in H2H combat.

The heaviest thing Ang Lee's hulk lifted was a tank which was noticeably difficult for him to lift. Ruffalo didn't really "lift" the leviathan, but he didn't seem to have too much of a problem holding it in the air for Iron Man to blast. The leviathan clearly weighed far more than the tank that Ang Lee's hulk threw. Ruffalo would have tossed the tank like a beach ball.

When it comes to actual skill in hand-to-hand combat, Ang Lee's hulk has very little. Even Norton's hulk fought and defeated an enemy that could hit back. Ang Lee's hulk didn't, unless you count the gamma dogs (which had nothing on the Abomination or Thor).

Originally posted by Insomniatric
I still think that the only big advantage Ang Lee's hulk has is pure speed... running speed. Ruffalo seemed to be much quicker with his punches and he is far more skilled and experienced in H2H combat.

The heaviest thing Ang Lee's hulk lifted was a tank which was noticeably difficult for him to lift. Ruffalo didn't really "lift" the leviathan, but he didn't seem to have too much of a problem holding it in the air for Iron Man to blast. The leviathan clearly weighed far more than the tank that Ang Lee's hulk threw. Ruffalo would have tossed the tank like a beach ball.

When it comes to actual skill in hand-to-hand combat, Ang Lee's hulk has very little. Even Norton's hulk fought and defeated an enemy that could hit back. Ang Lee's hulk didn't, unless you count the gamma dogs (which had nothing on the Abomination or Thor).

I don't know where you're getting that Ruffalo Hulk is a better H2H fighter. Thor easily evaded all his hits and schooled him in the art of fighting. He only got the best of Thor via pure strength and durability. Ang Lee's Hulk at least showed he was capable of complicated maneuvers while battling the dogs and the army. All Ruffalo Hulk did was jump around and smash stuff. Norton Hulk was the best H2h fighter though.

As for the leviathan feat, it's easier to generate power in a punch than to lift something. For example, heavyweight boxers have the strongest punches but that doesn't mean that they can lift heavier than strongmen. So Ruffalo punching the leviathan doesn't mean that he can out muscle Ang Lee Hulk.

If Hulk gets stronger and bigger as he gets angrier, and Ang Lee Hulk can manage to reach a 20 ft height then that pretty much shows he has more room to get stronger.

In any case, they should be pretty much close to strength so it wouldn't matter much. The better speed of Ang Lee Hulk though is a big advantage. Speed usually wins a fight more often than strength.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't know where you're getting that Ruffalo Hulk is a better H2H fighter. Thor easily evaded all his hits and schooled him in the art of fighting. He only got the best of Thor via pure strength and durability. Ang Lee's Hulk at least showed he was capable of complicated maneuvers while battling the dogs and the army. All Ruffalo Hulk did was jump around and smash stuff. Norton Hulk was the best H2h fighter though.

As for the leviathan feat, it's easier to generate power in a punch than to lift something. For example, heavyweight boxers have the strongest punches but that doesn't mean that they can lift heavier than strongmen. So Ruffalo punching the leviathan doesn't mean that he can out muscle Ang Lee Hulk.

If Hulk gets stronger and bigger as he gets angrier, and Ang Lee Hulk can manage to reach a 20 ft height then that pretty much shows he has more room to get stronger.

In any case, they should be pretty much close to strength so it wouldn't matter much. The better speed of Ang Lee Hulk though is a big advantage. Speed usually wins a fight more often than strength.

Thor was struggling with him on the carrier, and that was when he was less powerful and more sloppy. If Thor fought him when Banner had control, he would have been pounded into the pavement.

Thor went shot-for-shot with Loki at one point, whereas Hulk just slammed Loki repeatedly and walked away like a boss.

The leviathan punch wasn't just an ordinary, textbook, quick punch. After he landed it, he pressed into it to stop the leviathan's momentum, that's an incredible feat of strength. If he had just thrown a haymaker, it wouldn't have stopped advancing. It was the punch that put the huge dent in the front of it, but it was the Hulk's strength that stopped it in it's tracks.

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Ruffalo showed much more skill than Ang Lee's hulk did. It would take ridiculously good timing and aim for him to leap directly towards enemies and grab them the way he was doing in New York, he was even smashing them in mid-air when they were flying past him. That's INSANE timing.

No version of the hulk is overly-skilled when it comes to hand-to-hand combat, but when you're the freaking hulk, pure skill doesn't matter much most of the time. That said, I do think Ruffalo's hulk showed the best timing, precision, and power of any movie hulk.

Ang Lee's hulk was undoubtedly the fastest runner, but he didn't seem to have very quick punches and he didn't show nearly as much when it came to physical strength. Speed doesn't necessarily matter more than strength in a fight, the thing that ultimately matters most is how you can use your advantages.

For example, Stefan Struve (mma fighter) is the tallest fighter in the UFC and has an 84 inch reach. You'd think that he would be able to use a good jab to keep his opponents at distance so he can land some shots, right? Nope. He doesn't know how to use those advantages, so this kind of thing tends to happen to him when he fights a shorter fighter who pushes forward:

Ruffalo is IMO the best at using his physical assets (since Banner is able to actually control he hulk), so I think he'd be getting the better of the fight.

Originally posted by Insomniatric
Thor was struggling with him on the carrier, and that was when he was less powerful and more sloppy. If Thor fought him when Banner had control, he would have been pounded into the pavement.

Thor went shot-for-shot with Loki at one point, whereas Hulk just slammed Loki repeatedly and walked away like a boss.

The leviathan punch wasn't just an ordinary, textbook, quick punch. After he landed it, he pressed into it to stop the leviathan's momentum, that's an incredible feat of strength. If he had just thrown a haymaker, it wouldn't have stopped advancing. It was the punch that put the huge dent in the front of it, but it was the Hulk's strength that stopped it in it's tracks.

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Ruffalo showed much more skill than Ang Lee's hulk did. It would take ridiculously good timing and aim for him to leap directly towards enemies and grab them the way he was doing in New York, he was even smashing them in mid-air when they were flying past him. That's INSANE timing.

No version of the hulk is overly-skilled when it comes to hand-to-hand combat, but when you're the freaking hulk, pure skill doesn't matter much most of the time. That said, I do think Ruffalo's hulk showed the best timing, precision, and power of any movie hulk.

Ang Lee's hulk was undoubtedly the fastest runner, but he didn't seem to have very quick punches and he didn't show nearly as much when it came to physical strength. Speed doesn't necessarily matter more than strength in a fight, the thing that ultimately matters most is how you can use your advantages.

For example, Stefan Struve (mma fighter) is the tallest fighter in the UFC and has an 84 inch reach. You'd think that he would be able to use a good jab to keep his opponents at distance so he can land some shots, right? Nope. He doesn't know how to use those advantages, so this kind of thing tends to happen to him when he fights a shorter fighter who pushes forward:

Ruffalo is IMO the best at using his physical assets (since Banner is able to actually control he hulk), so I think he'd be getting the better of the fight.

Hulk in the hellicarrier was an enraged, out of control Hulk. He was calmer during the New York fight. How can you say that the NY Hulk was stronger than the Hulk in the Hellicarrier? Unless you're claiming that a calmer Hulk is stronger than an enraged Hulk?

When Hulk slammed Loki, that was a cheap shot. Loki wasn't even trying to fight back. Very very different circumstance compared to Loki fully fighting with Thor. Had Loki been trying to fight the Hulk then that fight would have gone different. Probably the same result, but way different fight.

Speed doesn't necessarily win a fight. But when the opponents are very close in strength, speed is a huge advantage. Plus, jumping around and grabbing chitauri who aren't even trying to evade Hulk isn't exactly a showing of agility or speed. If the aliens were actively trying to evade him and he was still catching up to them, that would have been impressive. As it is, he was like swatting flies. Ang Lee hulk on the other hand caught a missile. Now that was a good speed and agility feat. Not to mention he was keeping up with hulk-dogs who have 4 legs each and the agility of an animal.

The single time that Ruffalo Hulk went up against an agile fighter (Thor) he got beat to the punch and was evaded very easily.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hulk in the hellicarrier was an enraged, out of control Hulk. He was calmer during the New York fight. How can you say that the NY Hulk was stronger than the Hulk in the Hellicarrier? Unless you're claiming that a calmer Hulk is stronger than an enraged Hulk?

When Hulk slammed Loki, that was a cheap shot. Loki wasn't even trying to fight back. Very very different circumstance compared to Loki fully fighting with Thor. Had Loki been trying to fight the Hulk then that fight would have gone different. Probably the same result, but way different fight.

Speed doesn't necessarily win a fight. But when the opponents are very close in strength, speed is a huge advantage. Plus, jumping around and grabbing chitauri who aren't even trying to evade Hulk isn't exactly a showing of agility or speed. If the aliens were actively trying to evade him and he was still catching up to them, that would have been impressive. As it is, he was like swatting flies. Ang Lee hulk on the other hand caught a missile. Now that was a good speed and agility feat. Not to mention he was keeping up with hulk-dogs who have 4 legs each and the agility of an animal.

The single time that Ruffalo Hulk went up against an agile fighter (Thor) he got beat to the punch and was evaded very easily.

His argument is that the Hulk gets weaker with anger.

Originally posted by Insomniatric
The heaviest thing Ang Lee's hulk lifted was a tank which was noticeably difficult for him to lift.

Nah, he slammed into it, casually flipped it and then grabbed it and generated enough power to toss it up and out (67 tons) in about/under 5 seconds.

He didn't even break a sweat, is what I'm saying.

I also thought it was impressive when Ang Lee's Hulk tossed that vault door when he was held captive under ground.

I vote for him.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hulk in the hellicarrier was an enraged, out of control Hulk. He was calmer during the New York fight. How can you say that the NY Hulk was stronger than the Hulk in the Hellicarrier? Unless you're claiming that a calmer Hulk is stronger than an enraged Hulk?

When Hulk slammed Loki, that was a cheap shot. Loki wasn't even trying to fight back. Very very different circumstance compared to Loki fully fighting with Thor. Had Loki been trying to fight the Hulk then that fight would have gone different. Probably the same result, but way different fight.

Speed doesn't necessarily win a fight. But when the opponents are very close in strength, speed is a huge advantage. Plus, jumping around and grabbing chitauri who aren't even trying to evade Hulk isn't exactly a showing of agility or speed. If the aliens were actively trying to evade him and he was still catching up to them, that would have been impressive. As it is, he was like swatting flies. Ang Lee hulk on the other hand caught a missile. Now that was a good speed and agility feat. Not to mention he was keeping up with hulk-dogs who have 4 legs each and the agility of an animal.

The single time that Ruffalo Hulk went up against an agile fighter (Thor) he got beat to the punch and was evaded very easily.

I'm saying that the hulk punching the leviathan and halting it's momentum trumps any feat he performed on the helicarrier, that's undeniable. When Banner had control, he performed FAR greater feats than the hulk did on the helicarrier. You can say it's a ****-up by the writers, but that is what happened. And he was also much sloppier on the helicarrier. Further evidence of this is the way that SHIELD agents and Thor alone had an easier time with him than Loki and his entire army.

Hulk slamming Loki wasn't a cheap shot, Loki obviously knew he was no match for the Hulk, seeing as how his initial response to the Hulk coming after him was to turn and run away. Loki pretty much asked for it the way he stopped and started yelling at the hulk, for some reason expecting not to be attacked. He also did NOTHING after the hulk got through with him, just lied there and prayed that it was over.

Ruffalo's hulk performed much greater feats of strength than Ang Lee's hulk (stopping the leviathan and holding it in the air > throwing a tank). And you can't pretend that Ruffalo leaping through the air while catching enemies that are speeding by him (well over 100 mph) doesn't mean anything, that's a display of excellent timing (which is VERY VERY important in a fight). The only time Thor was able to beat hulk was on the helicarrier when he was sloppy, if they had fought when Banner had control... hulk would have mopped the floor with Thor. IIRC it was also implied several times throughout the movie that the Hulk was the most powerful of the avengers. There's a reason why Loki wouldn't hesitate to fight Thor, Captain America, or Iron man, yet tried to run away from the Hulk.

Ang Lee's hulk fighting the dogs wasn't all that impressive to me... Ruffalo's hulk would have torn through them without much of a problem as well.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nah, he slammed into it, casually flipped it and then grabbed it and generated enough power to toss it up and out (67 tons) in about/under 5 seconds.

He didn't even break a sweat, is what I'm saying.

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The fact that he was charging towards it and rammed it certainly assisted him in flipping it over. He also struggled to tear the top of one of the tanks off, and was visibly hurt when he got blasted by one of them.

He then uses the top of that tank as a hammer to beat the other tank, and does less damage to the tank with a weapon than Ruffalo's hulk did to the leviathan... with no weapon.

Also notice how he strains to push the barrel backwards.

Based on these feats, I highly doubt Ang Lee's hulk was capable of anything even close to this:

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It takes him about 5 seconds to cripple the leviathan (which absolutely dwarfs a tank in size, durability, and firepower).

Originally posted by Insomniatric
I'm saying that the hulk punching the leviathan and halting it's momentum trumps any feat he performed on the helicarrier, that's undeniable. When Banner had control, he performed FAR greater feats than the hulk did on the helicarrier. You can say it's a ****-up by the writers, but that is what happened. And he was also much sloppier on the helicarrier. Further evidence of this is the way that SHIELD agents and Thor alone had an easier time with him than Loki and his entire army.

Hulk slamming Loki wasn't a cheap shot, Loki obviously knew he was no match for the Hulk, seeing as how his initial response to the Hulk coming after him was to turn and run away. Loki pretty much asked for it the way he stopped and started yelling at the hulk, for some reason expecting not to be attacked. He also did NOTHING after the hulk got through with him, just lied there and prayed that it was over.

Ruffalo's hulk performed much greater feats of strength than Ang Lee's hulk (stopping the leviathan and holding it in the air > throwing a tank). And you can't pretend that Ruffalo leaping through the air while catching enemies that are speeding by him (well over 100 mph) doesn't mean anything, that's a display of excellent timing (which is VERY VERY important in a fight). The only time Thor was able to beat hulk was on the helicarrier when he was sloppy, if they had fought when Banner had control... hulk would have mopped the floor with Thor. IIRC it was also implied several times throughout the movie that the Hulk was the most powerful of the avengers. There's a reason why Loki wouldn't hesitate to fight Thor, Captain America, or Iron man, yet tried to run away from the Hulk.

Ang Lee's hulk fighting the dogs wasn't all that impressive to me... Ruffalo's hulk would have torn through them without much of a problem as well.

Just because Hulk didn't punch a leviathan in the hellicarrier doesn't mean he was too weak to do it, just that he didn't have the opportunity. You'd be stupid to think that he's stronger in NY simply because he had a better opportunity to showcase strength. Besides, taking on Thor is a way more impressive feat than punching that Leviathan. Thor after all took out 2-3 of those leviathans on his own. That's a fact.

Hulk was never said to be the most powerful of the Avengers, simply the strongest.

Hulk smashing Loki was a cheapshot. That's a fact. It was Loki's fault yes, but still a cheapshot. Loki didn't run away from Hulk. He tried to talk down Hulk. A cheapshot is when you hit someone who isn't prepared for it... just like he did Thor (twice), just like he did Loki. Again, it was Loki's fault that he got cheapshotted, but that doesn't change the fact that it was still a cheapshot.

Ruffalo Hulk never took on any super powered beings other than Thor, and he had a lot of trouble with Thor. Ang Lee Hulk took on 4 super powered beings. 3 hulk dogs and the absorbing man. Ruffalo Hulk can't make the same claim. The chitauri were weak enough that even Black Widow was taking them down in numbers, so Ruffalo Hulk beating them up is no big deal. The leviathans were heavily armored but didn't exactly have too much offensive capabilities, so again - Hulk punching it showed a great deal of strength but not really a great deal of fighting ability.

Originally posted by Insomniatric

The fact that he was charging towards it and rammed it certainly assisted him in flipping it over. He also struggled to tear the top of one of the tanks off, and was visibly hurt when he got blasted by one of them.

He then uses the top of that tank as a hammer to beat the other tank, and does less damage to the tank with a weapon than Ruffalo's hulk did to the leviathan... with no weapon.

Also notice how he strains to push the barrel backwards.

Based on these feats, I highly doubt Ang Lee's hulk was capable of anything even close to this:

You said "noticeably difficult for him to lift", when it clearly wasn't. He didn't really struggle to tear the turret off, did it in about 3 seconds.

Not saying that the Leviathon punch was less impressive. My comments were towards the Lee Hulk lowballing.