Mace Windu and Darth Tyranus vs Hero of Tython and Emperor Vitiate

Originally posted by Nephthys
For being forced back, Mace sure did canonically overpower him.

Either way, I'm talking in terms of Force powers.

Mace Windu was using the dark side as Vaapad fueled his Force reservoir, not only sustaining it but perpetually accelerating his Force speed, the same was happening to Sidious...Mace was just a better duelist.

Sidious could have suspended him up against a wall like he did with Maul and Savage, after slaying his Jedi allies, taking his lightsaber, and decapitated him. But he wanted to best him in a duel.

His Force lightning almost pushed Windu's saber through his face or knocked it away, but he relented right before that happened because he was dying as well from the deflected bolts.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And if your arguing Yoda wasn't taken by surprise even a little, then neither was Sidious.

Sidious choreographed his attack pretty blatantly, Yoda didn't.

I gather that you hate the character and have a hard time accepting that he's smarter, more powerful, and generally better than Dooku, but it's time you make peace with your favorite character's inferiority. 😐

Yeah, Sidious stomps Dooku every time.

Also, re-watching the scene, Sidious mentions that Yoda's arrogance ''blinds him''. Is Yoda's arrogance enough for him not to be prepared for Sidious' lightning?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yeah, Sidious stomps Dooku every time.

It's embarrassing how much Dooku sucks next to Sidious, isn't it? How stupid and impotent he is?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Also, re-watching the scene, Sidious mentions that Yoda's arrogance ''blinds him''. Is Yoda's arrogance enough for him not to be prepared for Sidious' lightning?

I'd say so. The fight scene is a monument to both characters' dangerous hubris.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I mean we see Yoda Force smack Sidious a few seconds later. And if your arguing Yoda wasn't taken by surprise even a little, then neither was Sidious.

I didn't say Yoda was taken by surprise.

@Neph

You're talking in terms of force power, but yet you can't even quantify how powerful the strike team was. Sorry but being termed 4 of the most powerful jedi does not mean that they together are more powerful than Yoda. Tiin was considered one of the most powerful jedi in the prime of the jedi order, but I doubt 4 Tiin's would equal Yoda. Hell, Maul and Savage can easily be considered some of the most powerful force users of their era, yet in terms of force powers they together proved to be mere nats to Sidious, and Yoda is easily Sidious' rival in the force.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Sidious choreographed his attack pretty blatantly, Yoda didn't.

I gather that you hate the character and have a hard time accepting that he's smarter, more powerful, and generally better than Dooku, but it's time you make peace with your favorite character's inferiority. 😐

He also has a hard time accepting how Sidious proved that he can easily shit all over Maul and Savage (both saber-wise and force-wise) while enjoying himself.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yeah, Sidious stomps Dooku every time.

Also, re-watching the scene, Sidious mentions that Yoda's arrogance ''blinds him''. Is Yoda's arrogance enough for him not to be prepared for Sidious' lightning?

Not really enough to prove it.

Sidious comment was in response to Yoda bragging about surviving order 66. Yoda is arrogant, but he's not supid enough to allow Sidious to attack him without attempting to block it.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
It's embarrassing how much Dooku sucks next to Sidious, isn't it? How stupid and impotent he is?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'd say so. The fight scene is a monument to both characters' dangerous hubris.

Even if he won the saber duel, Palpatine could kill Mace at any time with the force.

Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me—"
" This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade. " - Without being on an extremely powerful dark side nexus

He wanted to win via a saber fight since he could still overpower Mace with the force.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Not really enough to prove it.

Sidious comment was in response to Yoda bragging about surviving order 66. Yoda is arrogant, but he's not supid enough to allow Sidious to attack him without attempting to block it.

Yoda prepares himself before confronting Sidious:

The transmission ended.

Yoda rose.

A gesture opened the grating of the vent shaft where he had waited in meditation, revealing the vast conic well that was the Grand Convocation Chamber of the Galactic Senate. It was sometimes called the Senate Arena.

Today, this nickname would be particularly apt.

Yoda stretched blood back into his green flesh.

This was his time.

Nine hundred years of study and training, of teaching and of meditation, all now focused, and refined, and resolved into this single moment; the sole purpose of his vast span of existence had been to prepare him to enter the heart of night and bring his light against the darkness.

He adjusted the angle of his blade against his belt.

He draped his robe across his shoulders.

With reverence, with gratitude, without fear, and without anger, Yoda went forth to war.

No argument can be made that Yoda did not expect the lightning/was caught off guard/didn't try to absorb it.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Sidious choreographed his attack pretty blatantly, Yoda didn't.

I gather that you hate the character and have a hard time accepting that he's smarter, more powerful, and generally better than Dooku, but it's time you make peace with your favorite character's inferiority. 😐

Hey? I thought we were talking about Yoda and Sidious?

Dooku's has inferior powers to both of them. But is superior to both in suave, looks and charm 😛

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

He also has a hard time accepting how Sidious proved that he can easily shit all over Maul and Savage (both saber-wise and force-wise) while enjoying himself.

STFU

Silence, heretic.

Both Sidious and Dooku are xenophobic douchenozzles and as such are completely loathsome.

Malgus>

/thread

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I didn't say Yoda was taken by surprise.

I didn't say Sidious was taken by surprise.*

Yoda was certainly prepared to fight. He certainly expected attack. He certainly tried to block it. But he still got caught off guard. Yoda tried to block lightning with one hand like he did against Dooku. He simply did not expect Sidious' lightning to be so much stronger than Dooku's. He underestimated Sidious. Equally Sidious underestimated Yoda and as result got Force pushed.

Also, lightning cannot vaporise or even leave any burns in films. Yoda got knocked unconscious instantly and yet lightning did not disintegrate or leave any burns on him. But don't get me wrong, it doesn't mean that Vitiate's lightning is stronger, it only means that Force portrayal is different in some of the C-Canon.

Personally I believe both Sidious and Vitiate have their one-ups on each other.

Sidious (As of ROTS):

-Far superior speed and skill as a duelist
-Superior Skill and Power with Telekinesis
-Superior Battle Strategy, and experience on the battlefield
-Stated in several sources to be the most powerful Sith Lord to have ever lived.

Vitiate:

-More powerful Force Lightning (By a small margin of course)
-More knowledge of the Dark Side, and Sith Lore
-More powerful mind-domination technique
-Shadow Clone No-Jutsu!

Obviously in the end Sidious is the more worthy Dark Lord, but don't cut out Vitiate. He's impressive surely.

Another feat for the Hero of Tython, I just killed someone with a single Force Push in a cutscene.

He almost died to a saber throw by the end of the Revan book had it been aimed at him.

Mace could solo this if he's got the amp he had in his last fight.

Sure.

Another feat from Makeb:

YouTube video

5.40

Not entirely sure what he's doing, whether hes forcing the bridge to shut using TK or by...... messing with it electronically? But I dunno, notable I suppose.

Drew emailed me back and said that Vitiate can use his mind-domination abilites mid-fight, providing he has time to focus and prepare himself.