Silver Surfer vs Blue Marvel

Originally posted by zopzop
He's not winning this on feats. Trust me.

I'm a Blue Marvel fan but even his best : able to split the moon, lifting an aircraft carrier, etc.. pale in comparison to the SS'.

Hell, a mid herald like Terrax has actually busted a planet on panel, lifted the island of Manhattan into ORBIT, and survived for weeks inside a black hole.

Black Adam's fights are impressive. His best was humiliating the Avengers. That's why I'd give him 3/10 against Surfer.

I never said that he would win. I'm just saying how ppl are quick to say that so many other heralds are better than him.

... And zop you are a racist for calling him Black Adam. I know it was unintentional, but I read between the lines of your subconscious ✅

Originally posted by zopzop
He's not winning this on feats. Trust me.

I'm a Blue Marvel fan but even his best : able to split the moon, lifting an aircraft carrier, etc.. pale in comparison to the SS'.

Hell, a mid herald like Terrax has actually busted a planet on panel, lifted the island of Manhattan into ORBIT, and survived for weeks inside a black hole.

Black Adam's fights are impressive. His best was humiliating the Avengers. That's why I'd give him 3/10 against Surfer.

I'd love to see how well the Surfer would do against all of those Avengers at once?

Originally posted by Stoic
I'd love to see how well the Surfer would do against all of those Avengers at once?

Not so well. Look at the team he was holding off.

Who was on that team of Avengers?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Blue Marvel lifted/pushed an asteroid the size of Arkansas away from earth.
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Originally posted by carver9
One shot Ko ing Sentry...A legit high Herald. Someone that Surfer would have problems with. Not only did he knock him out...He did it While taking on the Avengers. He knocked King Hyperion for a loop with a couple of well placed blows. He defeated Antman...A being that steamed rolled the Avengers. One shot killed Shuma. He is actually walking through High heralds and Heralds...hell, Antman based off fts is a trans tier being. What High Herald has Surfer defeated lately?

Sentry is all over the place. One day he's tanking blows from the Thing without flinching, the next day he can't 't lift a helicarrier. Hercules was making a fool out of Sentry without even trying. Hercules is gonna beat Surfer for the majority?

Originally posted by zopzop
Sweet. Still less impressive than stuff Terrax has done. Not hating, just being honest. Based of feats, he's not winning. It's his fights that matter here.

Where to begin with this Carver?
He deflated Shuma's "fingernail". That's all.

Sentry is all over the place. One day he's tanking blows from the Thing without flinching, the next day he can't 't lift a helicarrier. Hercules was making a fool out of Sentry without even trying. Hercules is gonna beat Surfer for the majority?

And you're over inflating the Surfer, and Terrax. We can't assume that Bob was weaker than he was when he broke Terrax with ease, nor should you pursue this avenue of debate. If you do you really don't have a point aside from attempting to deflate Adam's feat. Was the Surfer not trying when he had it out with Ravenous? Ravenous was nearly beaten to death by that Strontian female of Gladiator's race.

When the Sentry had a hard time stopping the Hellicarrier, he was not only wrestling against it's weight, but it momentum as well, which doubled in weight for every 6 feet it fell (it's called G's). Superman wrestled to stop a ship the size of a sedan carrying Zod's son (unless I'm mistaken) when it was about to crash land. If Sentry had pressed too hard against the vessel he would have torn right through the hull, and that was something that he was trying to avoid. Shit the Surfer would have had the same problem. Stop over inflating things man.

Originally posted by zopzop
Sweet. Still less impressive than stuff Terrax has done. Not hating, just being honest. Based of feats, he's not winning. It's his fights that matter here.

Where to begin with this Carver?
He deflated Shuma's "fingernail". That's all.

Sentry is all over the place. One day he's tanking blows from the Thing without flinching, the next day he can't 't lift a helicarrier. Hercules was making a fool out of Sentry without even trying. Hercules is gonna beat Surfer for the majority?

He defeated the physical form of Shuma when there were others out there that couldn't achieve the same results. An entire group of Avengers.

You can use Sentry low showings if you want. That still doesn't take away from the fact that Blue Marvel beat a high Herald easily.

Sentry admitted he was holding back against Herc. Nice showing for Herc but it was stated on panel from Sentry that it took everything he had to take out Blue Marvel.

Originally posted by carver9
He defeated the physical form of Shuma when there were others out there that couldn't achieve the same results. An entire group of Avengers.

You can use Sentry low showings if you want. That still doesn't take away from the fact that Blue Marvel beat a high Herald easily.

Sentry admitted he was holding back against Herc. Nice showing for Herc but it was stated on panel from Sentry that it took everything he had to take out Blue Marvel.

The Hellicarrier wasn't a low showing for Bob.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Hellicarrier wasn't a low showing for Bob.

I know. Zop didn't mention the context.

Blue Marvel stuns Sentry by punching him into Orbit, then has a scuffle with Ms. Marvel, Iron man, Wonder Man, and Aries, only to be knocked out by Sentry when Sentry comes back. This is a good feat, but nothing Surfer nor any other elite high herald couldn't replicate or surpass.

Stunning Sentry with a punch was the most impressive part, but holding your own against a team consisting of a high-meta, and a few low heralds is easily within Surfer's capabilities. In fact Surfer's taken on an Avengers team similar (e.g., Wonder Man, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Vision, Wasp, Pym) to the one Blue Marvel took on while Sentry was in orbit. Surfer even one-shots two of them and no-sells a bunch of them. Tanks a combined blast by all five while being weakened by Pym's tech too.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Blue Marvel stuns Sentry by punching him into Orbit, then has a scuffle with Ms. Marvel, Iron man, Wonder Man, and Aries, only to be knocked out by Sentry when Sentry comes back. This is a good feat, but nothing Surfer nor any other elite high herald couldn't replicate or surpass.

Stunning Sentry with a punch was the most impressive part, but holding your own against a team consisting of a high-meta, and a few low heralds is easily within Surfer's capabilities. In fact Surfer's taken on an Avengers team similar (e.g., Wonder Man, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Vision, Wasp, Pym) to the one Blue Marvel took on while Sentry was in orbit. Surfer even one-shots two of them and no-sells a bunch of them. Tanks a combined blast by all five while being weakened by Pym's tech too.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Blue Marvel stuns Sentry by punching him into Orbit, then has a scuffle with Ms. Marvel, Iron man, Wonder Man, and Aries, only to be knocked out by Sentry when Sentry comes back. This is a good feat, but nothing Surfer nor any other elite high herald couldn't replicate or surpass.

Stunning Sentry with a punch was the most impressive part, but holding your own against a team consisting of a high-meta, and a few low heralds is easily within Surfer's capabilities. In fact Surfer's taken on an Avengers team similar (e.g., Wonder Man, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Vision, Wasp, Pym) to the one Blue Marvel took on while Sentry was in orbit. Surfer even one-shots two of them and no-sells a bunch of them. Tanks a combined blast by all five while being weakened by Pym's tech too.

1. The team that you describe would have been beaten by Bob alone.

2. Adam KO'd The Sentry, it wasn't just a stun.

3. Bob caught Adam with a cheap shot.

4. Adam wasn't going all out against them, while they were going all out against him. Do you recall him pleading with them? This is why Adam didn't simply one shot several of them. He wasn't trying to. Adam is an Elite High Herald. The Surfer would have a very difficult time winning this. He could yes, but if he plays into Adam's strengths, he would likely be beaten.

Surfer fighting non retarded like he did in Annihilation would beat any herald level opponent imo. Casually busting planets, opening up blackholes.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Surfer fighting non retarded like he did in Annihilation would beat any herald level opponent imo. Casually busting planets, opening up blackholes.

Really now? Can't the same be said of Thor? I'm not going to put words down that you did not write, but, while the Surfer is opening up the black holes, and doing much of these exotic power stunts, what are these other Heralds that can actually keep up with him in terms of speed doing? Are they sitting on their thumbs like in a DBZ episode?

Thor can casually bust planets, and open up dimensional portals as well. Many Heralds can do crazy power stunts. Stardust can do them, and Bill still defeated it/him/her. The Blue Marvel isn't a one trick pony.

Originally posted by Stoic
1. The team that you describe would have been beaten by Bob alone.

2. Adam KO'd The Sentry, it wasn't just a stun.

3. Bob caught Adam with a cheap shot.

4. Adam wasn't going all out against them, while they were going all out against him. Do you recall him pleading with them? This is why Adam didn't simply one shot several of them. He wasn't trying to. Adam is an Elite High Herald. The Surfer would have a very difficult time winning this. He could yes, but if he plays into Adam's strengths, he would likely be beaten.

Blue Marvel has looked good but he hasn't done anything really high end. Surfer has and should be the favourite.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Tbf Sentry wasn't going all out as per his own words. While it was a good showing flash-koing Bob and holding off Stark, Ms Marvel and Wonderman it certainly isn't beyond the other top heralds. Red Hulk (with his absorption abilities) defeated the same line-up pretty comfortably aswell. Without Sentry they were still decent, but there were no other heavy hitters on that Avengers line-up.

Blue Marvel has looked good but he hasn't done anything [B]really high end. Surfer has and should be the favourite. [/B]

Listen there is no way in hell that a guy that just came on the scene, and landed in the same tier as the Surfer is going to beat a guy with 40 years of appearances. This much is clear. The BS about this being a steam roll is ridiculous though. However there are times when it is easy to see how powerful a character is, and whether or not they would do very well even against the best. Adam would do well.

KO'ing the Sentry with one hit is plenty enough to show that Adam cleaned his clock. What would have happened if after Adam hit him, he flew after him, and continued a heavy assault on Bob's face? Yeah exactly.

Originally posted by Stoic
1. The team that you describe would have been beaten by Bob alone.

2. Adam KO'd The Sentry, it wasn't just a stun.

3. Bob caught Adam with a cheap shot.

4. Adam wasn't going all out against them, while they were going all out against him. Do you recall him pleading with them? This is why Adam didn't simply one shot several of them. He wasn't trying to. Adam is an Elite High Herald. The Surfer would have a very difficult time winning this. He could yes, but if he plays into Adam's strengths, he would likely be beaten.

What's your point? You assumed Surfer wouldn't do as well against the team Blue Marvel fought, when in fact Surfer's done better against a more impressive team and easily one-shot or no-sell some of the Avengers that Blue Marvel fought (e.g., Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Iron Man, etc).

The supposed "knock out" lasted less than a page, Sentry came back the very next page to knock Blue Marvel out.

Really? Adam was holding back while the Avengers were going all out? You need to re-read the fight, the entire time the Avengers were trying to talk Adam down, and talked about how they wanted to avoid a fight. They weren't going any where near all-out, stop exaggerating.

Also stop lying about Blue Marvel knocking out Sentry in one-shot. They had a slug fest where they hit each other multiple times before Adam hit Sentry into space.

Originally posted by Stoic
Listen there is no way in hell that a guy that just came on the scene, and landed in the same tier as the Surfer is going to beat a guy with 40 years of appearances. This much is clear. The BS about this being a steam roll is ridiculous though. However there are times when it is easy to see how powerful a character is, and whether or not they would do very well even against the best. Adam would do well.

KO'ing the Sentry with one hit is plenty enough to show that Adam cleaned his clock. What would have happened if after Adam hit him, he flew after him, and continued a heavy assault on Bob's face? Yeah exactly.

Who knows what would've happened, maybe Sentry would've recovered by the time Adam reached him or maybe he would've punched Bob to sleep. What we DO know is Adam caught Sentry with a good punch, and Sentry flew back to Earth and laid BM out while apparently holding back.

Originally posted by Stoic

KO'ing the Sentry with one hit is plenty enough to show that Adam cleaned his clock. What would have happened if after Adam hit him, he flew after him, and continued a heavy assault on Bob's face? Yeah exactly.

Yeah, he would have Voided out and then destroyed Blue Marvel.

Nobody will ever convince me that Bob was KO'd when his eyes were open and his arm was lifted, but the mods decided it was so I guess people can use it. Regardless, it was a nice feat by Adam and theres no denying that he's a heavy hitter, but the Sentry has done better against tougher opponents then him. The other Avengers were fodder anyways (Sentry would destroy that group too) so always dragging them into the fight seems silly to me.

Anyways, Surfer 8/10