Originally posted by juggerman
And Preston proved that he can kill you without even seeing you.The tranq is an issue. But the goons got tranq'd and were able to pull it out and look at it before they got woozy and fell over iirc. Once it hits Preston he'd fire in that direction instantly and most likely kill the Bat before falling asleep. This guy's reflexes are ridiculously fast. Who has a damn gun sword fight anyway?
I need proof of this.
I thought Preston saw everybody he killed before he did the deed.
Batman....hiding in the shadows of a museum. Tranquilizing Preston from a distance with no sound.
Will result in Preston going down. No doubt. But him killing Batman because of the assault is something I'm new to.
Batman will chose the furthest corner. He will hide in it and launch his tranq and if argument permits move from that position. Versus Forums permit limited knowledge on each character therefore Batman has the advantage in Round 1.
Baleman wins Round 1.
Originally posted by the ninjak
I need proof of this.I thought Preston saw everybody he killed before he did the deed.
Batman....hiding in the shadows of a museum. Tranquilizing Preston from a distance with no sound.
Will result in Preston going down. No doubt. But him killing Batman because of the assault is something I'm new to.
Batman will chose the furthest corner. He will hide in it and launch his tranq and if argument permits move from that position. Versus Forums permit limited knowledge on each character therefore Batman has the advantage in Round 1.
Baleman wins Round 1.
Proof is in the first scene of the movie. He enters a pitch black room and kills everyone. Batman would not avoid that flurry
Originally posted by juggerman
Proof is in the first scene of the movie. He enters a pitch black room and kills everyone. Batman would not avoid that flurry
I remember Bale killing a group of men surrounding him in the night.
He knew where they all were.
I hate asking for feats. But I'm sure if Baleman hits Preston with a tranq it's a tie regardless. If not a win for Batman for he would move after launching it.
Were the men attacking Preston using guns? for it would make sense then. Baleman is shooting a silent projectile though.
Originally posted by the ninjak
I remember Bale killing a group of men surrounding him in the night.He knew where they all were.
I hate asking for feats. But I'm sure if Baleman hits Preston with a tranq it's a tie regardless. If not a win for Batman for he would move after launching it.
Were the men attacking Preston using guns? for it would make sense then. Baleman is shooting a silent projectile though.
No he did not see them at all. He was trained to fire in pretty much every single direction of a room to insure that the enemy is hit. Batman would surely be tagged
Originally posted by juggerman
No he did not see them at all. He was trained to fire in pretty much every single direction of a room to insure that the enemy is hit. Batman would surely be tagged
That's madness. Considering both fighters are in the Vatican.
Batman is hiding in the shadows in a random location. Shoots Preston with a tranq then swoops somewhere else.
The idea of Preston shooting every area possible in order to tag Batman is nuts considering the size of the arena before he falls unconscious.
Originally posted by the ninjak
That's madness. Considering both fighters are in the Vatican.Batman is hiding in the shadows in a random location. Shoots Preston with a tranq then swoops somewhere else.
The idea of Preston shooting every area possible in order to tag Batman is nuts considering the size of the arena before he falls unconscious.
I really didn't take the entire arena into consideration since i assumed they at least started out facing eachother. If Preston has to hunt the Bat down then yes a tranq might suffice but as soon as Preston was hit i could see him killing Batman before he passed out.
Originally posted by juggerman
I really didn't take the entire arena into consideration since i assumed they at least started out facing eachother. If Preston has to hunt the Bat down then yes a tranq might suffice but as soon as Preston was hit i could see him killing Batman before he passed out.
Batman could launch a tranq then head behind a pillar or wall. This is the way I've always seen this fight eventuate.
Baleman has the advantage in Round 1.
Both have common knowledge of each other.
As per Forum Rules.
Round One.
Vatican at night. Batman launches a tranq into Preston's body from the darkness.
He will never attempt to take him on up close because basic knowledge shows he will die quickly.
Baleman dodged assault rifle bullets up close in the dark in the DKR.
He has a good chance of dodging a freaks from far away after launching a silent projectile.
Basics knowledge of preston tells him that he is a - Grammaton Cleric, peacekeeper, emotionless and master of gun - kata. I don't see why basic knowledge would tell him how skilled preston is.
even then he had basic knowledge of bane and wanted to test himself against him even at alfred's behest and got dealt with, So batman Doesn't always act on what's safest.
Originally posted by thanos-prime
Basics knowledge of preston tells him that he is a - Grammaton Cleric, peacekeeper, emotionless and master of gun - kata. I don't see why basic knowledge would tell him how skilled preston is.even then he had basic knowledge of bane and wanted to test himself against him even at alfred's behest and got dealt with, So batman Doesn't always act on what's safest.
Basic knowledge tells him his opponent is capable of shooting a person with mathematical precision from a distance based upon awareness of the opponent? Well that's the basis of my argument.
Baleman in the 3rd film was a fool. In the others he fought with extreme skill.
He was defeated in TDKR. But still had tricks up his sleeve.
Combine the Baleman's skills from more than 2/3 of his films and all the tricks and he puts Preston down no probs in his one film.
You haven't even seen TDK why are you even bothering?
Originally posted by the ninjakThat is actually a far more detailed analyses of his abilities than what I think General knowledge refers to.
Basic knowledge tells him his opponent is capable of shooting a person with mathematical precision from a distance based upon awareness of the opponent? Well that's the basis of my argument.Baleman in the 3rd film was a fool. In the others he fought with extreme skill.
He was defeated in TDKR. But still had tricks up his sleeve.
Combine the Baleman's skills from more than 2/3 of his films and all the tricks and he puts Preston down no probs in his one film.
You haven't even seen TDK why are you even bothering?
He wasn't just defeated he was defeated in a show of such incompetence it's baffling. In skill he doesn't compare to Preston, He has him beat in stealth but only uses it against nobody's which Preston is surely not, what will happen is that barman will engage him in hth try to disarm him and either get a shot or beat to death with the guns.
Good points. And I understand both of your standings.
Personally I perceive Preston and the realisation of a Grammaton Cleric coming to fight him being vastly superior to his idea of who Bane was before their fateful encounter.
There is no way Batman would even attempt a close range confrontation with basic knowledge of such a beast.
I believe tranqs would be his first and only realistic method of taking Preston down. Tranqs are silent. Batman is a master of hiding in the shadows. It's his only choice.
The idea of Preston shooting and killing Batman after hit by a tranq is dependent on whether Batman is smart enough with his basic knowledge to move behind solid cover after launching the tranq. Which is slower than a bullet.
I still think Batman wins Round 1.
Originally posted by the ninjak1. Why would he even know what a grammaton cleric is? It's a title that exists only in their world as far is i know. 2. Even if he did the job description would probably be something along the lines of a very highly ranked cop, Bane sounds much scarier.
Good points. And I understand both of your standings.Personally I perceive Preston and the realisation of a Grammaton Cleric coming to fight him being vastly superior to his idea of who Bane was before their fateful encounter.
There is no way Batman would even attempt a close range confrontation with basic knowledge of such a beast.
I believe tranqs would be his first and only realistic method of taking Preston down. Tranqs are silent. Batman is a master of hiding in the shadows. It's his only choice.
The idea of Preston shooting and killing Batman after hit by a tranq is dependent on whether Batman is smart enough with his basic knowledge to move behind solid cover after launching the tranq. Which is slower than a bullet.
I still think Batman wins Round 1.
He did with Bane while having been retired for years, injured and having been warned about him on top of that, Batman is not the smartest fighter.
Batman doesn't always do what is best or the most realistic approach.
Assuming batman doesn't get hit before he fires or as he fires by Preston's gun-Kata.
I don't, I think he would lose badly not nearly as bad as round 2 but still badly.