can any herald defeat....

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Who did he matter manipulate that's as tough or as resistant to matter manipulation as either of them?

Thor could just absorb him with Mjolnir.

Superman could likely disperse his being with heat vision or freeze him completely with super breath. Or possibly just punch his face off.

yea his abilities are just perfect against a bruiser like thor i dont think he could win but i cant really argue with feats he has like none i was basing a lot off the movie and very little off comics it self

one thing was just brought to my attention... he is clairvoyant he is able to see what thor and supes and them are going to do before they do it... how does that work for the battles?

I havent wathced that before watchmen crap, but going by the graphic novel, his universe was deterministic and he could not alter anything he saw in the future (actually he experienced all points of his own timeline at the same time), so he'd simply know beforehand whether he'd win or lose. it would not change the outcome of the battle

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
yea his abilities are just perfect against a bruiser like thor i dont think he could win but i cant really argue with feats he has like none i was basing a lot off the movie and very little off comics it self

Silver Surfer can do pretty much everything Manhattan can and his power set is by no means "perfect" against Thor. In all reality, Mjolnir is a huge detriment to Manhattan, whose lack of feats isn't going to help him any.

Originally posted by 753
I agree he has nothing showing he could desintegrate thor or SM, but he could reform from desintegration and teleport, so heat vision, cb and punches probably wouldnt work for a definitive victory

I think given some of the higher levels of power Superman displayed with his heat vision, he could disperse his energy form long enough to get a "forum win". I also think that his ice breath could freeze or incapacitate his energy form long enough to do the same. His punches may or may not be all that effective depending on how the writer wants to portray him, but he's effected pure energy before, so there's that.

manhattans abilities rnt shooting out of his hands or somethin hes rearranging molecules and atoms hes changing there structure as he sees fit and hes blood lusted so that will change how he'd use these powers as well i am goin off of the movie a lot and partial in writing

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
manhattans abilities rnt shooting out of his hands or somethin hes rearranging molecules and atoms hes changing there structure as he sees fit and hes blood lusted so that will change how he'd use these powers as well i am goin off of the movie a lot and partial in writing

Right, but again, what has Manhattan manipulated or broken down that is equal to the likes of Thor or Superman, both of whom are infinitely more durable than the humans he disintegrated.

good point but there matter and atoms are the same as ours at a structural level and thats what hes breaking down molecules and atoms again im fighting a battle up hill i cant win because on panel hes never done this to beings like a thor or a superman so i waive the white flag 🙂

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
good point but there matter and atoms are the same as ours at a structural level and thats what hes breaking down molecules and atoms again im fighting a battle up hill i cant win because on panel hes never done this to beings like a thor or a superman so i waive the white flag 🙂

Well, the reason why Superman and Thor are so tough as they are is because their atomic structure is much more formidable and denser than normal. They've both also survived attacks explicitly designed to effect them at the molecular level.

I can see Manhattan putting up a decent feat in the pages of a comic, but per feats (not even the wild crazy ones) I don't see how he could beat either of them.

yea i guess i havent read enough superman or thor not knowing ther molecules were more sturdy to attacks like manhattan has i again over estimated someones power levle (like sentry) by a large margin with no feats on panel