Originally posted by -Pr-
The He-Man fourth world homage is all kinds of awesome.
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I really dug the idea that if you really wanted to substitute He-Man for Orion, Skeletor for Darkseid, the Sorceress for Highfather, Castle Greyskull for the Source, etc. the movie would still be fundamentally the same.
Plus, the scene late film where Lundgren yells "I have the power!" is so over the top and ridicuously epic.
Originally posted by Digi
The "fight" is in the respect thread. Years after it was posted, the forum consistently acts like we don't have access to it. Look for yourselves:http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=15336004vz2.jpg
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http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10929464tu2.jpgHe-Man was ok afterward. Superman was mystically controlled. He-Man was without the Sword of Power, which in those days definitely could've cut/hurt Superman. Glean from those what you will. Imo, it's a non-feat all-around.
They did. How old are you?
That seems pretty conclusive to me that the one not facing the ground and getting ready to enter the castle is the one who had the advantage in the end.
Im old enough to have purchased the comic when it came out. Imagine that 😛
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
👆I really dug the idea that if you really wanted to substitute He-Man for Orion, Skeletor for Darkseid, the Sorceress for Highfather, Castle Greyskull for the Source, etc. the movie would still be fundamentally the same.
Plus, the scene late film where Lundgren yells "I have the power!" is so over the top and ridicuously epic.
Indeed.
It was the first movie I ever saw at the cinema, and even when I watched it again recently, I still found myself loving it. I don't care that it wasn't like the Filmation cartoon (which I also loved); it's just too much fun.
Originally posted by DigiNeither has superman. Nearly every incarnation of superman is as strong as the plot demands. That's how he goes from pulling moons with help to lift a book that contained the multiverse itself with help.
[B]Castle Greyskull is a multiversal nexus, from which HM draws his power. It scales based on need and circumstance, and hasn't been shown to have a defined limit.
This is rather explicitly written into HM comics (can't speak for the newest incarnation, but he's new and I haven't been following it yet). As plot devices go, it's insanely convenient. So, as I said, a case could be made for strength alone.Its called no limit fallacy.
HM's overall feats don't necessarily support him getting wins, but it's a crossover after all, which are almost exclusively created as fan service. I wouldn't rule anything out, except that they'll probably be shown as near-equals much of the time. Even if I'm shown to be wrong in the upcoming comic, it's a good guess. I'm working based on lopsided precedent, which doesn't mean certainty, but can and should inform our prognostications.That's good enough for me.
I'm not sure I get the Thor question. It doesn't seem to respond to or counter anything I said. Based on my assessment, which itself was generalized and not without exception, Thor should lose to Supes.Superman beat Thor, got attacked by Avengers and still got up by the same time thor did. Maybe I should've said Dreamwar, written by Giffen.
Originally posted by abhilegendEvery elite top hero is as strong as the plot demands so you agree even ground.
Superman beat Thor, got attacked by Avengers and still got up by the same time thor did. Maybe I should've said Dreamwar, written by Giffen.
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Barely beat Thor who you say is Ww level and was easily kod by the team and could barely stand after a one on one fight.
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Yeah, you think Superman will dominate He Man and we will see. Lets bet and make this interesting.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Im old enough to have purchased the comic when it came out. Imagine that 😛
You said they should make a live action movie, when there is one. Forgive my confusion. I'll turn on my internet telepathy next time.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Neither has superman. Nearly every incarnation of superman is as strong as the plot demands. That's how he goes from pulling moons with help to lift a book that contained the multiverse itself with help. Its called no limit fallacy. That's good enough for me.Superman beat Thor, got attacked by Avengers and still got up by the same time thor did. Maybe I should've said Dreamwar, written by Giffen.
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Dreamwar wasn't canon for DC characters. They were creations of a reality warper that made the Doctor look like he was playing tiddly-winks. I've seen the "he modeled them after the characters as closely as possible" argument, and that's true, for what it is. But it's also still a kid imagining stuff. Would you consider the dream-induced hallucinations of a 14-year-old KMC poster canon to a character? Also, Majestic doesn't have a rabid fan army. My earlier comments about the big guys in respective universes and crossovers stand. Is it possible HM gets the same treatment? Sure, anything's possible. Is it likely? Search yourself, young Skywalker, you know the truth. And the Thor stuff still doesn't disagree with anything I've said. I'm really not sure that we're even having the same conversation here.
Also, lulz at "that's good enough for me," as if that matters in the slightest. I'm trying to have a conversation, and you're trying to win some imaginary war because you think I slighted your fan crush. A case could be made that HM is as strong as Superman, or slightly greater than depending on incarnation and need. Not proof, but a case. And two, Superman should win in a fight. Do you disagree with either of those? It sounds like you don't. Then wtf are you trying to prove?
Originally posted by Digi
You said they should make a live action movie, when there is one. Forgive my confusion. I'll turn on my internet telepathy next time.😉
I think I should have said a "new" live action movie.
Your e-telepathy should have worked when I said I purchased the comic when it came out originally. 1982... sneer
Originally posted by Galan007
Digi, I wish you would debate more. 👆
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Thanks. I doubt I ever will, especially in the vs. forum where I've been "gone" much longer than even my KMC activity would suggest. That forum has annoyed me probably for longer than it hasn't in my near-decade on KMC. But I enjoy popping in.
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Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I think I should have said a "new" live action movie.Your e-telepathy should have worked when I said I purchased the comic when it came out originally. 1982... sneer
Indeed. sneer
Originally posted by Digi Dreamwar wasn't canon for DC characters. They were creations of a reality warper that made the Doctor look like he was playing tiddly-winks. I've seen the "he modeled them after the characters as closely as possible" argument, and that's true, for what it is. But it's also still a kid imagining stuff. Would you consider the dream-induced hallucinations of a 14-year-old KMC poster canon to a character?It may not be canon but it gives an idea of how DC views both character.
Also, Majestic doesn't have a rabid fan army.He-man does?
My earlier comments about the big guys in respective universes and crossovers stand. Is it possible HM gets the same treatment? Sure, anything's possible. Is it likely? Search yourself, young Skywalker, you know the truth.We'll see.
And the Thor stuff still doesn't disagree with anything I've said. I'm really not sure that we're even having the same conversation here.The point is that Superman wouldn't be revealed as weaker to another hero in a crossover. It undermines his whole character.
Also, lulz at "that's good enough for me," as if that matters in the slightest. I'm trying to have a conversation, and you're trying to win some imaginary war because you think I slighted your fan crush.Lawl @ you thinking of you doing something like that. You present your own fantasy here.
A case could be made that HM is as strong as Superman, or slightly greater than depending on incarnation and need. Not proof, but a case.No. I would like to see that case.
And two, Superman should win in a fight. Do you disagree with either of those?I disagree with the first option.
It sounds like you don't. Then wtf are you trying to prove? [/B]Nothing. I'm just having a friendly conversation.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It may not be canon but it gives an idea of how DC views both character.
Not "it may not." It isn't.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He-man does?
Relative to Majestic, absolutely. Even relative to Thor, pre-movies. I wouldn't be surprised to see the HM/Superman fight go similarly.
Originally posted by abhilegend
We'll see. The point is that Superman wouldn't be revealed as weaker to another hero in a crossover. It undermines his whole character.
It undermines his fandom's persona of him, I agree. I'm not even a huge Superman fan, but I'm pretty sure "I'm more powerful than anyone" isn't the central theme of his character. If Pr wants to get dragged in here, I'm sure he could corroborate this with something that doesn't involve his "whole character" revolving around who punches who the hardest.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree as he laid down the hammer in that post to Abhilegend.
Well, someone disagrees with this assessment. But thanks.
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Originally posted by DigiThe amount of right in this paragraph is immense.
Also, lulz at "that's good enough for me," as if that matters in the slightest. I'm trying to have a conversation, and you're trying to win some imaginary war because you think I slighted your fan crush. A case could be made that HM is as strong as Superman, or slightly greater than depending on incarnation and need. Not proof, but a case. And two, Superman should win in a fight. Do you disagree with either of those? It sounds like you don't. Then wtf are you trying to prove?
Also, I used to like that last cartoon they had. It was all intense movements and hard hitting attacks. Yeah, it was a fun watch
Not sure how I'd like it now though
Originally posted by Digi
I'd insert some fan rage here for the original cartoon, but it really doesn't hold up well.
I've been reliving my childhood through reruns on the qubo channel. You're right, it looks and sounds like ass even for an 80's show. Still get a kick out of the aftershow life lessons though LOL.
Originally posted by dmillsIt was great as a kid but yes rewatching some of it now really demonstrates it targeted very young kids.
I've been reliving my childhood through reruns on the qubo channel. You're right, it looks and sounds like ass even for an 80's show. Still get a kick out of the aftershow life lessons though LOL.
LOve Skeletor to this day from the 80's toon. Far better than Hordak.
Originally posted by DigiIt is canon to wildstorm though.
Not "it may not." It isn't.
Relative to Majestic, absolutely. Even relative to Thor, pre-movies. I wouldn't be surprised to see the HM/Superman fight go similarly.That's just your opinion. You'll be surprised how many majestic or thor fans are out there.
It undermines his fandom's persona of him, I agree.Not exactly.
I'm not even a huge Superman fan, but I'm pretty sure "I'm more powerful than anyone" isn't the central theme of his character.You'd be wrong then. Its a central theme of his character since golden age. He is a measure of strength long before He-man was little else than a concept.
If Pr wants to get dragged in here, I'm sure he could corroborate this with something that doesn't involve his "whole character" revolving around who punches who the hardest.I don't know about that. Pr is too modest about superman's capabilities.
