Originally posted by Golgo13I'll try and post the scans tomorrow. It's in Superman beyond. Zillo freezes the entire multiverse so the various versions of Supermen can come fight Mandrakk. They all had a crisis going on like DS falling etc and could not leave. Superman also was using his powers to keep Lois alive. So Zillo pretty much freezes everything, which superman noticee and states.
When did the Monitors freeze the Multiverse? Scans?
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I'll try and post the scans tomorrow. It's in Superman beyond. Zillo freezes the entire multiverse so the various versions of Supermen can come fight Mandrakk. They all had a crisis going on like DS falling etc and could not leave. Superman also was using his powers to keep Lois alive. So Zillo pretty much freezes everything, which superman noticee and states.
Originally posted by a88378438Technology is part of theirpart ass much as ironman is Tony's powers. Evidently, it's part of their feats so o don't understand what you are saying here. Should we disclaim brainiac or any other character and make them seem powerless and featless because they use technology?
this even not a feats...just high tech
Originally posted by xJLxKing
the Spectre wasn't weakened. He just could not use his powers because the universe can't be judged due to the fact that the ALE took away free will. That however had nothing to do with why Spectre and the others lost. Having it happened off panel means what exactly? Mandrakk represented evil in stories, which is why he was the last villain in FC
Featless? Some what, but keep in mind, the monitors had tech that was destroying multivere without them doing anything. This tech was just nano, too small for them too see, yet in the multicerse, it was bigger than cities. Sure enough, their tech froze entire universes. This wasn't even their powers just tech. Not to mention, they have access to the bleed which only they can use, something which makes them un-killable. Mandrakk also had enough statement to judge his power level. Would you say the presence was weaker then galactus because of no feats
no, savage hurt him pretty bad, not to mention spectre didn't seem that uber in final crisis revelations, not being able to judge even libra.
having it off panel means we don't really know exactly how it happened.
tech froze universes? im not sure i remember that.
Mandrakk was called the ultimate threat to the multiverse, but you also have to keep in mind, the FC multiverse was consisted of 52 universes not infinite universes which anti monitor destroyed, which makes anti monitor's feat, quite literally, infinitely more impressive.
Presence created michael and lucifer, he gave synnar the power to create the multiverse, when spectre was shown the nature of god he became one with the multiverse, when asmodel tried to conquer the presence, at the end of his journey he understood that it can't be done and that the presence resides everywhere and is everything even hell itself.
Originally posted by operator616
no, savage hurt him pretty bad, not to mention spectre didn't seem that uber in final crisis revelations, not being able to judge even libra.
having it off panel means we don't really know exactly how it happened.
tech froze universes? im not sure i remember that.
Mandrakk was called the ultimate threat to the multiverse, but you also have to keep in mind, the FC multiverse was consisted of 52 universes not infinite universes which anti monitor destroyed, which makes anti monitor's feat, quite literally, infinitely more impressive.Presence created michael and lucifer, he gave synnar the power to create the multiverse, when spectre was shown the nature of god he became one with the multiverse, when asmodel tried to conquer the presence, at the end of his journey he understood that it can't be done and that the presence resides everywhere and is everything even hell itself.
As far as what you posted, I've already explained it in the other posted, I even posted what morrison himself said. You just didn't reading the other posts
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Like I said, Spectre could not do anything to judge anyone in FC. He had gotten his powers back after the ALE was stopped. Vandal had the spear of destiny, and he was basically Cain, already judged by God. Libra stated what his purpose was in FC1-3.As far as what you posted, I've already explained it in the other posted, I even posted what morrison himself said. You just didn't reading the other posts
i know that savage had the spear of destiny, my point wasn't how he did it but rather the outcome of the event, which left spectre weakened.
just read your posts, and my argument still stands that AM's feat is much more impressive than mandrakk's "statements".
I do recall an interview of GM stating that primal monitor is God (though that was a long time ago) so i vaguely remember it (i'll check it up), but i also remember GM stating that PM is the white paper on which the comics are drawn. Anyway, i dont see how PM is relevant to our discussion.
Originally posted by operator616you don't need to, I know that interview. Keep reading it, read about what he says about monitors, mandrakk and superman beyond in general.
just checked it, apparently, they are both at the same time, morrison stated that primal/over monitor is the page in which the story is drawn, and he thought of it as God (i'll link you to the interview if you ask for it)
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Technology is part of theirpart ass much as ironman is Tony's powers. Evidently, it's part of their feats so o don't understand what you are saying here. Should we disclaim brainiac or any other character and make them seem powerless and featless because they use technology?
Originally posted by a88378438
I mean,the Pre-crisis and Post-crisis was differnet because the PC monitor isnt use any tech to destroy universe,the Grant Morrison change everything,the monitor not a powerful cosmic being,just some High-tech race,they are power isnt universe level anymore,the pre-crisis and post-crisis is absolutely different
WOW son, here lol. I had to go and look for my imageshack password just for you
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5966/supermanbeyond01page007.jpg
This should easily go to CA Supes based on scale. He existed in an overworld where the whole multiverse was just a little bottle.
As big/powerful as AM is, he would just be a speck to CA Supes.
Plus, the Cosmic Armor was essentially just a physical manifestation of Superman's "plot armor" that allows him to pull off whatever needs pulling.
Originally posted by Eel O'Brienpretty much, it was even stated that the armor adapts to any threat.
This should easily go to CA Supes based on scale. He existed in an overworld where the whole multiverse was just a little bottle.As big/powerful as AM is, he would just be a speck to CA Supes.
Plus, the Cosmic Armor was essentially just a physical manifestation of Superman's "plot armor" that allows him to pull off whatever needs pulling.
Originally posted by Golgo13All the events from Superman Beyond took place in between one of Lois' heartbeats.
@ Galan, do you have the scans of the Monitors freezing the entire Multiverse? Sounds pretty uber.
However, time could not have been stopped on a multiversal scale, because time on earths 6, 13, 17 and 20(just that we know of) was still proceeding normally:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15893884/Superman_Beyond_01_Page_013.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15893887/Superman_Beyond_01_Page_014.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15893888/Superman_Beyond_01_Page_016.jpg.html
