Originally posted by curryman
The problem with this matchup is that adding more people to Annihilator's team, or removing some, won't really help deal with the main issue. If the first team is too fast then that's just how it is and it's hard to get around that when the Flash'es speed is just so extreme.
I think the Annihilators numbers could balance things out, but the Flash's have much better reaction time and speed feats.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, I think Surfer transmuting the Flashes into inanimate objects is ridiculous.I do think that he (and other Annihilators) has the means to hit them, though.
The other Annihilators would hardly touch Bart and the others. Bart was moving so fast that Zoom just vibrated though him. He wasn't getting any hits off. And this is Zoom, who Wally amped had a hard time getting a hit off.
Originally posted by Golgo13
The other Annihilators would hardly touch Bart and the others. Bart was moving so fast that Zoom just vibrated though him. He wasn't getting any hits off. And this is Zoom, who Wally amped had a hard time getting a hit off.
And yet Flashes get tagged in comics when using their speed with various degrees of difficulty. Even Zoom has been tagged by the likes of Green Lantern and a blind folded Wonder Woman.
Originally posted by Golgo13
The other Annihilators would hardly touch Bart and the others. Bart was moving so fast that Zoom just vibrated though him. He wasn't getting any hits off. And this is Zoom, who Wally amped had a hard time getting a hit off.
Your really not given Quasar and Gladiator there due credit when it comes to speed, with surfer throwin on top of that as well.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And yet Flashes get tagged in comics when using their speed with various degrees of difficulty. Even Zoom has been tagged by the likes of Green Lantern and a blind folded Wonder Woman.
Context is important in these fights I think.
There's a good chance that energy blasts can kill them here, so I don't see why they wouldn't be trying their very best not to get hit.
Originally posted by curryman
Context is important in these fights I think.There's a good chance that energy blasts can kill them here, so I don't see why they wouldn't be trying their very best not to get hit.
Context is always important, but you also have plenty of showings where (a) Flash is tagged while moving fast, presumably not trying to be hit. Whether it's a flush connection, anticipating where they'll be next, or just a massive AoE, it's happened enough to justify the Annihilators being able to hit them eventually.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Contexe is always important, but you also have plenty of showings where (a) Flash is tagged while moving fast, presumably not trying to be hit. Whether it's a flush connection, anticipating where they'll be next, or just a massive AoE, it's happened enough to justify the Annihilators being able to hit them eventually.
There are certainly many incidents of the Flash being tagged while moving fast.
Those are not necessarily relevant when the Flash is doing his very best to not get hit.
Surfer can fly at multiple speeds of light, warp speeds an hyperspace. What people miss is that this mean several things regarding the Surfer:
1) He can see for light years ahead of himself. He would have to in order not to run into things while traveling many times the speed of light.
2) Also, his reflexes would have to also be greater than light speeds so as not to run into objects (you'd be surprised how much smaller a football field is to very fast player, a running back for example, vs an offensive lineman...).
3) Finally, his thinking would be greatly accelerated so that he could react at these speeds. Reaction time (reflexes) and thinking, the Flash is outclassed by the Surfer.
SS travel speed is superior, because we have seen him traveling to the rim of the universe in a matter of instants after the annihilation war. During the infinity gauntlet, he also has covered over a light year in the span of a second... before missing the gauntlet on Thanos's fist. It would mean traveling 31536000 times faster than light.
I doubt the speed force could even trump Surfers cosmic power.
Surfer has been shown to be able to stop time/motion for those other than himself, as well as depower others for example alteration of their genetic make-up, or by averting their mind, ect. So he could win easily if he wanted to and wasn't really playing fair, something he's known to be subjective to do as it is. You can't beat Surfer if he doesn't let you move.