Originally posted by Darth MartinHe'd slaughter Data and quite easily.
Who?Spoiler:? You think he's that much more impressive than Data?
KhanHe was pwning an inferior Starfleet in a less advanced timeline. I don't see them standing up to a well coordinated Starfleet assault like in First Contact with much more impressive weaponry than the Starfleet in the 2009 film showed.
So is this a troll thread, or what?
I mean, has anyone actually counted how many advanced ships the original timeline would have in this fight? Ships all far more advanced than the JJ-Prise?
We're talking:
2 Borg Ships
4 Klingon Birds of Prey (one of which can fire while cloaked).
3 D-7s iirc.
Somewhere in the region of 30-40 Starfleet ships (including 5 enterprises).
The Genesis device on the Reliant
3 Romulan ships (including the Scimitar)
Not to mention multiple versions of Captain Kirk (one of whom, iirc, had killed so many Klingons that he was considered a war criminal) and his crew, multiple Next Gen crews etc.
Fighting ships that, bar what, 2 of them, are a good century less advanced?
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Originally posted by quanchi112There's a 154 time gap between the Nero's timeline and the that of the happenings of Star Trek (2009).
Prove it.
The ships in the original timeline boast ablative armor, quantum torpedoes, most likely travel at greater speeds than the inferior Starfleet ships can muster. Vessels like the Defiant and Enterprise E were specifically designed for combat after encounters with the Borg.
The Narada is a mining vessel. The Enterprise E is state-of-the art in the original timeline.
Originally posted by quanchi112You act as if Data hasn't sonned countless Klingons throughout his career. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't
Were your eyes closed when he faced the Klingons ?
Spoiler:knocked out by Scotty? The way Kirk was punching him on the Klingon planet, if that had been Data, Kirk would've broken every bone in his hand.
Khan
He was having trouble with Spock. Data would have been too much for him.
Originally posted by Darth MartinNot anywhere near as impressive as he did. He surrendered after showing he's more formidable than Spock and Kirk. Data still gets killed by a faster, warrior type mastermind very easily.
You act as if Data hasn't sonned countless Klingons throughout his career. If I'm not mistaken, wasn'tSpoiler:knocked out by Scotty? The way Kirk was punching him on the Klingon planet, if that had been Data, Kirk would've broken every bone in his hand.
KhanHe was having trouble with Spock. Data would have been too much for him.
He beat Spock and was without weapons as well.
He'd own multiple,Datas with those guns.
Originally posted by Darth MartinNo, Data is not and I said with the guns he used which would tear Data up. He'd also own him in a fight as he's much faster.
He'd own multiple Data? Not sure if serious.Data is physically stronger, more durable, intelligent, and can move faster. Only advantage
Spoiler:has is what? Martial arts prowess? I mean, come one.
KhanYou're obviously letting the hype effect your judgement.
No, screen feats>>>>>>>>Datas weak screen feats.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
When was the Q involved in a movie ? Did you read the op at all ?
The omipotent and omnipresent Q was responsible for the Enterprise being flung into the delta quadrant, which attracted the Borg to earth, in the original timeline... this is how Picard got turned into Locutus..cause those Borg turned, up decimated most of Starfleet and captured Picard, hence his link with the Borg in First Contact.
Every reference to TNG series that took place in the movies was reference to a time where the crew and humanity itself were on a massive trial by Q.
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Why we can't use TV feats in a "movie versus forum" is beyond me. 🙄
not that i'm a mod, In the rules it has
8) Characters from televised movies are allowed for versus matches, but characters from an actual TV series are not allowed, since, obviously, the tv series is not a movie.
I'm aware. It's lame.
Just got back from a second viewing. In regards to Quanchi saying
Spoiler:>Data, I'm not at a conclusion yet. He seemed quite strong but not Data strong. The thing that is questioning me is his durability. Uhura must have fired a blaster on a "stun" setting close to a dozen times and he remained conscious. That's very impressive.
Khan
Which also leads me to concur that it is possible that when Mr. Scott fired at him on the ship he may have been "acting" unconscious. Again, not sure.
The way he was wielding the big gun against the Klingon was another strength feat worthy of note. That blast was powerful enough to shoot down Klingon fighter ships. That gun is clearly meant to be mounted and not carried.
Spoiler:is obviously superhuman to an extent. I'd place him somewhere on the Watchmen characters' level.
Khan
As for the ship battles. The torpedoes in the film were described as "new photon torpedoes". Now, seeing as how those are old news to the original timeline(Quantum torpedoes>>>😉 I'm going to hold my ground in saying the original timeline has the more advanced tech and therefore shall win.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Data is not and I said with the guns he used which would tear Data up. He'd also own him in a fight as he's much faster.No, screen feats>>>>>>>>Datas weak screen feats.
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Are you kidding me?
Khan would tire out his arm while trying to hurt Data, the same way Kirk tired his on Khan.
Spock went toe to toe with Khan. Data would rip his arms off.
Oh and Data has dodged multiple phaser shots. He's stronger, faster and more agile for Khan.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthNot in the movie so again thanks for participating. Reboot so far is handing the originals their asses.
The omipotent and omnipresent Q was responsible for the Enterprise being flung into the delta quadrant, which attracted the Borg to earth, in the original timeline... this is how Picard got turned into Locutus..cause those Borg turned, up decimated most of Starfleet and captured Picard, hence his link with the Borg in First Contact.Every reference to TNG series that took place in the movies was reference to a time where the crew and humanity itself were on a massive trial by Q.