Originally posted by quanchi112
You said that wasn't an accurate representation of the character when we have the creator of his animated traits saying otherwise. He hated in his final moment. You disagree with the creator and said it was a disservice to the character. It wasn't but continue to disagree with the creator and say he didn't understand him.
Huh? I didn't say the creator (which would actually be Lucas BTW) didn't understand the character. I think you need to re-read what I said.
Originally posted by RobtardLucas didn't flesh him out. Filoni did. He's been there the entire time they gave him more of a personality since the film. You said it was a disservice to the character but it wasn't. He never let go of his hatred or his selfishness to the point of his death.
Huh? I didn't say the creator (which would actually be Lucas BTW) didn't understand the character. I think you need to re-read what I said.
Originally posted by RobtardHe did have fire but he's dying. If the body isn't willing to respond and you're fading there is nothing you can do. He went out on hate. Perfect ending to the character who hated both sides. Maul. Rest in hate, Maul. There will never be another one like him.
Going out with a whimpering lip is a disservice, imo. The scene could have been much better with minor changes, you disagree; it's cool. But I wanted fire.
Originally posted by RobtardYou already have the creator saying otherwise. He went out with hatred. I guess your lip can't quiver with hate according to you. You also don't grasp what is Sith and what is Jedi by your comments. Allow me to prove it.
A quivering lip isn't "going out with fire", guess we just have different views of what that implies.Vader's still trucking it in the Rebel's timeline, a true Sith Lord. I knew he would have outlasted Maul, never doubted it once.
Vader was never a true Sith Lord. He died a Jedi. He died as Anakin sacrificing himself for his son. Do you believe that's a Sith action ?
When he stood by the Jedi as a force ghost was this the mark of a true Sith ??
Maul a true Sith died a Sith. Vader was just some guy Palpatine manipulated.
You seem very confused, actually. As for the dying like an infant with your lip quivering, you can believe that's a sign of force, I don't. Different folks/strokes, that.
Yes, Vader was a Sith Lord. His redemption in his final moments does not dispel the two decades or so he spent being a Sith badass. Might as well say Maul's infantile state at the end of his life wipes away all his previous Sith-ery. Stop being silly. Okay. Vader's also still alive in Rebels, unlike Maul who's pushing daisies.
Originally posted by RobtardMaul died with hate refusing to let anything go.
You seem very confused, actually. As for the dying like an infant with your lip quivering, you can believe that's a sign of force, I don't. Different folks/strokes, that.Yes, Vader was a Sith Lord. His redemption in his final moments does not dispel the two decades or so he spent being a Sith badass. Might as well say Maul's infantile state at the ends wipes away all his previous Sith
Vader died as Anakin a Jedi. He died selflessly to save his son. He didn't die a Sith at all and you said this was a disservice to Maul but applaud Vader becoming selfless and Anakin once more.
Maul died selfishly refusing any redemption or to let go of his hate while Vader died a Jedi and selfless. This isn't up for debate. Anakin was also a Jedi for decades. He died a Jedi. Maul was a Sith the entire time and more importantly died one.
A true Sith doesn't become a Jedi. That's just being silly.
Originally posted by RobtardI understand he redeemed himself and cast aside the Sith values. Maul wasn't ever going to be redeemed since he was a true Sith Lord. You somehow believe Vader better represents the Sith ideals despite his decades as a Jedi and his return to form prior to his death.
Listen, if you don't understand the redemption angle, I don't know what to tell you. But I'll continue to love me some Lord Vader in Rebels. He's the Sith Lord who didn't die at Kenobi's hands.
Kenobi already bested him at his prime. He also let Vader kill him. Vader never defeated or disarmed Kenobi by earning it. Kenobi was a true Jedi and Maul was a true Sith. Vader aka Anakin depended on the day.
Vader hasn't been involved the entire season. Maul is a much better character than Vader.
Vader's clearly the superior Sith to Maul, this isn't even a contest. Everyone involved with Star Wars lore knows it. Even Darth Maul.
Are we really going to talk about Kenobi beating Vader, cos Maul's record against Kenobi, lolz. Even with his brother helping him in a 2v1 Maul had to BFR Kenobi or risk getting bisected again.
So? He's still alive unlike Maul who's pushing daisies. The possibility to see Vader again is there; I look forward to it.
Originally posted by RobtardFalse, but I doubt you've watched enough Star Wars to know what the showings support. Vader is greater in the force but in terms of willpower, agility, and martial arts as a Sith warrior Maul would expose Vader's lack of mobility.
Vader's clearly the superior Sith to Maul, this isn't even a contest. Everyone involved with Star Wars lore knows it. Even Darth Maul.Are we really going to talk about Kenobi beating Vader, cos Maul's record against Kenobi, lolz. Even with his brother helping him in a 2v1 Maul had to BFR Kenobi or risk getting bisected again.
So? He's still alive unlike Maul who's pushing daisies. The possibility to see Vader again is there; I look forward to it.
Vader couldn't even best Tano in the same episode Maul met her head on. Their fight was brief but Vader hasn't any legit wins over any truly formidable Jedi or Sith.
Maul disarmed him, had him flee in clone wars, bfrd him in a later duel in clone wars, and spared his life after he passed out in his arms. He forced him to watch him kill his ex. Savage was a liability and bfring is a forum win.
We see how Vader's life maps out. Kenobi allowed him to win. Luke summarily crushed him while in his prime and Vader died as a Jedi showing he was never true to the cause.
On who is left on the rebels show at this point I favor Grand Admiral Thrawn but you've always been a Vader mark. I've always found him to be emotionally weak and all over the map. He's no true Sith. Just a twisted and manipulated victim of Palpatine's for decades. Never the master always the pupil. Pitiful if you ask me.
Originally posted by quanchi112
False, but I doubt you've watched enough Star Wars to know what the showings support. Vader is greater in the force but in terms of willpower, agility, and martial arts as a Sith warrior Maul would expose Vader's lack of mobility.Vader couldn't even best Tano in the same episode Maul met her head on. Their fight was brief but Vader hasn't any legit wins over any truly formidable Jedi or Sith.
Maul disarmed him, had him flee in clone wars, bfrd him in a later duel in clone wars, and spared his life after he passed out in his arms. He forced him to watch him kill his ex. Savage was a liability and bfring is a forum win.
We see how Vader's life maps out. Kenobi allowed him to win. Luke summarily crushed him while in his prime and Vader died as a Jedi showing he was never true to the cause.
On who is left on the rebels show at this point I favor Grand Admiral Thrawn but you've always been a Vader mark. I've always found him to be emotionally weak and all over the map. He's no true Sith. Just a twisted and manipulated victim of Palpatine's for decades. Never the master always the pupil. Pitiful if you ask me.
LoL, that silly "I know Star Wars more" tactics. Give it a rest already, you only recently started to like SW, I've been a fan since I saw the first flick as a child back in the 70's.
Oh dear. Maul said himself that he couldn't take on Vader. Maul's assessment of his prowess > your beliefs
Oh my. We clearly see Maul and Savage together not being able to take out Kenobi, then Kenobi takes Savage out of the fight, Maul quickly sets it up to flee with his bro. Running away isn't winning.
Now we're talking about Vader's life. Vader's still alive at the time of Maul's three-second defeat/death. In the time-line, Vader will soon defeat that same Kenobi, who so easily took down Maul.
Okay? Weird
Originally posted by RobtardYou loved it as a child I didn't. I never loved the Ot films. I do love rots, clone wars the animated series, Snoke, Maul, and Kylo Ren.
LoL, that silly "I know Star Wars more" tactics. Give it a rest already, you only recently started to like SW, I've been a fan since I saw the first flick as a child back in the 70's.Oh dear. Maul said himself that he couldn't take on Vader. Maul's assessment of his prowess > your beliefs
Oh my. We clearly see Maul and Savage together not being able to take out Kenobi, then Kenobi takes Savage out of the fight, Maul quickly sets it up to flee with his bro. Running away isn't winning.
Now we're talking about Vader's life. Vader's still alive at the time of Maul's three-second defeat/death. In the time-line, Vader will soon defeat that same Kenobi, who so easily took down Maul.
Okay? Weird
Maul was lying to manipulate Ezra and gain the trust of the group. He was also past his prime. an opinion of a character in oneself isn't a fact. It's just an opinion regardless of the matter.
We clearly see Kenobi and Qui unable to best Maul with fighting as a group. Bfring to help your brother is winning especially when the Pirates were aligned against him and he has to escape. It isn't about just fighting on when it isn't in the best interests of yourself and the brother you care about. Kenobi also fled from him in their first encounter without an injury on the clone wars. 🙂
So what if he's still alive ?? Kenobi dropped his guard. He never disarmed Kenobi on his own. Maul did so in their first encounter. Kenobi protected his son, watched the birth of both kids, and only came out when he deemed it necessary. Maul was successful in drawing him out without the aid or the resources of a galactic empire.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You loved it as a child I didn't. I never loved the Ot films. I do love rots, clone wars the animated series, Snoke, Maul, and Kylo Ren.Maul was lying to manipulate Ezra and gain the trust of the group. He was also past his prime. an opinion of a character in oneself isn't a fact. It's just an opinion regardless of the matter.
We clearly see Kenobi and Qui unable to best Maul with fighting as a group. Bfring to help your brother is winning especially when the Pirates were aligned against him and he has to escape. It isn't about just fighting on when it isn't in the best interests of yourself and the brother you care about. Kenobi also fled from him in their first encounter without an injury on the clone wars. 🙂
So what if he's still alive ?? Kenobi dropped his guard. He never disarmed Kenobi on his own. Maul did so in their first encounter. Kenobi protected his son, watched the birth of both kids, and only came out when he deemed it necessary. Maul was successful in drawing him out without the aid or the resources of a galactic empire.
Okay...
Yeah no, Maul's assessment of his own ability in being inferior to Vader is fact, saying otherwise is little more than fanfiction. Which is fine, fanfic away but it doesn't change the facts.
Um, that was Padawan Kenobi.
So what you ask? It's glorious that Lord Vader is still alive in the Rebel's timeline. He's the Sith that keeps on trucking while others go on to push daisies.
In hindsight. I do think it's a good thing that you've now in 2017 discovered the greatness of Thrawn for the first time. I became a fan of Thrawn back in 1991-92 when I read 'Heir to the Empire', the first book in the great Thrawn Trilogy.
Originally posted by RobtardNo, it isn't since they never ran into each other. People's opinions are just their own until they meet up and something becomes a fact. Saying its a fact without one encounter between the two is just an opinion and fanfic.
Okay...Yeah no, Maul's assessment of his own ability in being inferior to Vader is fact, saying otherwise is little more than fanfiction. Which is fine, fanfic away but it doesn't change the facts.
Um, that was Padawan Kenobi.
So what you ask? It's glorious that Lord Vader is still alive in the Rebel's timeline. He's the Sith that keeps on trucking while others go on to push daisies.
In hindsight. I do think it's a good thing that you've now in 2017 discovered the greatness of Thrawn for the first time. I became a fan of Thrawn back in 1991-92 when I read 'Heir to the Empire', the first book in the great Thrawn Trilogy.
So what ?? Maul disarmed him and had him at his mercy. Anakin was more skilled and Kenobi bested him. This was prior to his mobility being greatly reduced by the suit.
We know when he dies so his fate can't be altered. Vader was in an era devoid of elite Jedi or Sith until Luke and guess what happened. He died. He was summarily crushed in combat by his son. He was only masquerading as a Sith. He died a Jedi.
That isn't canon. Rebels Thrawn is as is the new book. You favor Vader I'd rather see Thrawn on the rebels show. Disney Star Wars is where it's at. Great time to be a fan of Wars with Disney steering the ship. Snoke and Kylo later this year. I cannot wait. I bet Vader fans are worried over Kylo when he completes his training.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't since they never ran into each other. People's opinions are just their own until they meet up and something becomes a fact. Saying its a fact without one encounter between the two is just an opinion and fanfic.So what ?? Maul disarmed him and had him at his mercy. Anakin was more skilled and Kenobi bested him. This was prior to his mobility being greatly reduced by the suit.
We know when he dies so his fate can't be altered. Vader was in an era devoid of elite Jedi or Sith until Luke and guess what happened. He died. He was summarily crushed in combat by his son. He was only masquerading as a Sith. He died a Jedi.
That isn't canon. Rebels Thrawn is as is the new book. You favor Vader I'd rather see Thrawn on the rebels show. Disney Star Wars is where it's at. Great time to be a fan of Wars with Disney steering the ship. Snoke and Kylo later this year. I cannot wait. I bet Vader fans are worried over Kylo when he completes his training.
Sorry Quan, what Maul said about his abilities and being inferior to Vader is what the writer(s) believe, that makes it fact. As fact, Vader is superior to Maul and Maul knows this. This can't be argued, fanfic all you like, but pushing it as truth is silly.
So what? Bragging that Maul was able to disarm a Padawan really isn't much of a brag, not does it help Maul look good, considering despite his superiority at the time, he lost the fight due to being a dunce. Kenobi at his best > Maul at his best, this is another fact supported with evidence.
Um. Vader defeated Palpatine. Another thing Vader has over Maul who begged for his life when he took on Palpy, despite having a 2-to-1 advantage. Seems this is a trend with Maul, having the advantage and still underperforming, no?
Those books will be a source they'll tap into to show Thrawn's prowess. I'm a HUGE Vader fan and I have absolutely no worry about Kylo, as there's nothing to worry about. Kylo per his words is the #1 Vader fanboy and aspires to be a great as Vader, that's a good thing as a Vader fan.