To be fair, I believe John(Stallone) mentioned that Simon was 3x stronger than when he went in.
Couldn't find a clip that was in English, but the feat is just after the 4 minute mark.
To be fair, I believe John(Stallone) mentioned that Simon was 3x stronger than when he went in.
Couldn't find a clip that was in English, but the feat is just after the 4 minute mark.
Originally posted by Silent MasterI thought Stallone was talking more about Simon's ability more than his physical strength.
To be fair, I believe John(Stallone) mentioned that Simon was 3x stronger than when he went in.Couldn't find a clip that was in English, but the feat is just after the 4 minute mark.
I forgot about that, it also the only feat he has that even approaches that level of absurdity if I can remember correctly. The only other one I can think of is when he threw a guy threw that glass.
Also it's hard to ignore the fact that a normal human, Stallone, was able to hurt Simon in a straight up fight as well where Khan was able to tank Kirk's punches.
Originally posted by Silent MasterYou could say Stallone is stronger than Kirk but Stallone's character wasn't superhuman either.
I'm not saying that Simon would necessarily win, but I'd say that Stallone's character is also a good bit stronger than Kirk. that and I believe Stallone was on the losing end of the HTH fight, it's why he ended by freezing Simon.I'd have to dig out the movie later to confirm.
And yes Stallone was losing their H2H but it seemed to have more to do with Simon's all of sudden expert level Martial Arts ability more so then his strength.
Stallone was able to hurt Simon a few times, take Simon's punches and at one point managed to drive Simon back once or twice essentially overpowering him. They also fought twice, once in the museum and in the cyro lab.
I don't see a normal human doing that to Khan even a stronger than average human like Stallone.
Originally posted by Newjak
You could say Stallone is stronger than Kirk but Stallone's character wasn't superhuman either.And yes Stallone was losing their H2H but it seemed to have more to do with Simon's all of sudden expert level Martial Arts ability more so then his strength.
Stallone was able to hurt Simon a few times, take Simon's punches and at one point managed to drive Simon back once or twice essentially overpowering him. They also fought twice, once in the museum and in the cyro lab.
I don't see a normal human doing that to Khan even a stronger than average human like Stallone.
Like I said; I'm not saying that Simon necessarily wins, I just don't see a reason to disallow Simon's strength feat, it'd be like disallowing Qzy's or Bruce Leroy's bullet catching feats, since they only happened once.
Originally posted by Silent MasterI don't think those ar ethe same.
Like I said; I'm not saying that Simon necessarily wins, I just don't see a reason to disallow Simon's strength feat, it'd be like disallowing Qzy's or Bruce Leroy's bullet catching feats, since they only happened once.
Bruce Leroy couldn't catch the bullet until he had THE GLOW and nothing in Ozy's showing contradict it.
And that's what I'm saying about Simon. He has the feat sure, it's obvious 90s camp action, but there is a contradictory showing where an obviously none superhuman Stallone was able to go H2H with him and even manage to push Simon backwards a few times.
You can't say Stallone did it with skill because Simon was obviously the much more skilled combatant by the time they are unfrozen.
So we have two contradictory showings and nothing else in that entire movie points to Simon being Superhuman.
Correction, we don't see Bruce catch a bullet until after activating the glow, but him being able to do so was mentioned in the movie theater scene.
As for Ozy, him catching the bullet is by far his best speed feat in the entire movie.
Edit: I could also mention Storm Shadow, he blocks a bullet with his sword in the recent GI Joes movie; so does that feat count or do we ignore it?
Originally posted by Silent MasterThat's what I said he didn't catch the bullet until he had the glow.
Correction, we don't see Bruce catch a bullet until after activating the glow, but him being able to do so was mentioned in the movie theater scene.As for Ozy, him catching the bullet is by far his best speed feat in the entire movie.
Edit: I could also mention Storm Shadow, he blocks a bullet with his sword in the recent GI Joes movie; so does that feat count or do we ignore it?
It is his best speed feat by far but also isn't his only superhuman speed or strength feat in the entire movie. Also nothing contradicts that speed feat.
Same goes for Storm Shadow.
There is only one feat in that entire movie that shows Simon as having Superhuman strength yet a normal none superpowered human being was able to fight him H2H and even drive him back in the movie. Those are contradictions and nothing else confirms Simon as having any kind of superstrength, speed, or agility.
Also there is no mention of genetic upgrades all the list of upgrades Simon receives are mental so unless he was superhuman going in the cooler it wasn't because of his upgrades.
So despite the fact we never see anything else besides that one feat from Simon we're going to assign him close to Khan strength. even though this a contradictory scene of a normal human temporarily overpowering him and nothing showing his superstrength?
Originally posted by Silent MasterIt was through water so it's hard to tell if he took the full force of the glow rod or not. Even then the only other time we've seen it in action is when Stallone put it directly into contact with someone's head. If he had hit the body the person may not have been knocked out. Merely stunned like what happened to Simon.
Well,I'd put him shaking off being electrocuted by the glow rod as above human norm.
Originally posted by Newjak
It was through water so it's hard to tell if he took the full force of the glow rod or not. Even then the only other time we've seen it in action is when Stallone put it directly into contact with someone's head. If he had hit the body the person may not have been knocked out. Merely stunned like what happened to Simon.
I took it as them playing up his durability, as the charge was enough to actually launch him onto the car, but fair enough.
I just don't think we should be DQ'ing people's feats.
Originally posted by Silent MasterWho said anything about DQing people's feats?
I took it as them playing up his durability, as the charge was enough to actually launch him onto the car, but fair enough.I just don't think we should be DQ'ing people's feats.
I'm not DQing it but I'm also not going to ignore the rest of his feats either especially when one comes as a direct contradiction to it.
If Simon can really one handed throw someone 20 feet a normal human being no matter strong should not be able to push him back or hurt him with his fists.
Also logically there is no way Simon can possess Superstrength unless he had it going into the frozen chamber,remember it only altered a human's mind by implanting knowledge, in which case Stallone's character shouldn't have been able to manhandle Simon before.
So it's not DQing a feat, it's looking at the whole picture.