Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Europe
Well, that's the thing though. While France now has legal same-sex marriage, there has been immense public outrage against it.
So that chart doesn't really tell us that much.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, that's the thing though. While France now has legal same-sex marriage, there has been immense public outrage against it.So that chart doesn't really tell us that much.
Has there been an immense public outrage, though? Some sad old fart blowing his brains out does not constitute an immense public outrage. I could be wrong, of course, as I have not been following the whole thing.
So, Marie Le Pen is praising the man and calling the suicide a "wakeup call"
Originally posted by Omega Vision
So, Marie Le Pen is praising the man and calling the suicide a "wakeup call"
Now if only the WBC follows by example 🙂
I had a thought: what if the "rapture" really did happen and it happened because all the "righteous" people blew their brains out like this old man?
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Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Hell, it varies considerably within families.
Mmhmm.
I think marriage and marriage rights should be abolished. **** everyone including the LGBT community (you can take that literally, too, if you're a pansexual).
I think things like marriage should be purely private (no government or rights involved). The solution to the legal issues would be resolved with a social contract between the individuals. "But dats marriage with a different name!" Not really. You could extend that social contract to tons of more stuff like legal guardian of a minor (similar to all marriage rights...with obvious differences). Friends could draw one up, etc. It could be part of the standard life process. Hey...I know! Call it a Will and Power of Executorship! 🙂
Just talked to my wife about it, today. She said she didn't care who got married as long as they are adults.
So even married couples can differ in their opinion on the topic.
Originally posted by dadudemonMmhmm.
I think marriage and marriage rights should be abolished. **** everyone including the LGBT community (you can take that literally, too, if you're a pansexual).
I think things like marriage should be purely private (no government or rights involved). The solution to the legal issues would be resolved with a social contract between the individuals. "But dats marriage with a different name!" Not really. You could extend that social contract to tons of more stuff like legal guardian of a minor (similar to all marriage rights...with obvious differences). Friends could draw one up, etc. It could be part of the standard life process. Hey...I know! Call it a Will and Power of Executorship! 🙂
Agree with this point of view totally. There should be no such thing as a marriage license, for ANYONE.
On a side note there was a recent protest in left wing France involving 250,000 people against their new gay marriage law.
To be fair, the state offering special rights to people who live together or buy property/cars/other major purchases together sort of makes sense.
Like, what would happen with insurance, visitation rights or inheritance in a system where marriage is outright abolished for everyone? The institution of marriage is as much secular as it is religious.
Originally posted by Oliver North
To be fair, the state offering special rights to people who live together or buy property/cars/other major purchases together sort of makes sense.Like, what would happen with insurance, visitation rights or inheritance in a system where marriage is outright abolished for everyone? The institution of marriage is as much secular as it is religious.
I discussed that very question, already:
Originally posted by dadudemon
The solution to the legal issues would be resolved with a social contract between the individuals.
Originally posted by Oliver North
so we rename "marriage" and get rid of restrictions...
Originally posted by dadudemon
"But dats marriage with a different name!" Not really. You could extend that social contract to tons of more stuff like legal guardian of a minor (similar to all marriage rights...with obvious differences). Friends could draw one up, etc. It could be part of the standard life process. Hey...I know! Call it a Will and Power of Executorship! 🙂
Originally posted by Oliver North
it seems identical to what homosexuals are pushing for, with the exception of allowing for contracts between more than 2 people.
That's definitely false. Gay-marriage rights activists are pushing for gay-marriage rights. I'm proposing the exact opposite: the abolishment of the legal institution of marriage.
Originally posted by dadudemonUnless I misunderstood your meaning, are the rights they're pushing for any different than the marriage rights that exist barring the same-sex issue?
That's definitely false. Gay-marriage rights activists are pushing for gay-marriage rights. I'm proposing the exact opposite: the abolishment of the legal institution of marriage.
IIRC, they're not asking for any special tax breaks, custody issues, insurance coverage etc. beyond what is already covered in a hetero marriage.
Originally posted by Oliver North
I fail to see the real difference, other than semantics
Marriage becomes a non-legal, unrecognized institution and social contracts would replace the legal aspects of marriage (and this would also allow for more granular control of what really happens in those agreements rather than just a blanket of "marriage" rights that we have, now).
"Real" marriage would be reserved for whatever you wanted but has no meaning other than sentimentality (religious, celebratory, whatever).
Disassociating "marriage" from the legal aspects of the social contracts solves all the problems people have with "gay marriage" while solving all the legal problems the gays have about marriage. Those are hardly "semantic" issues because we have protests for and against gay marriage and my solution solves many of those parties' problems.
While you may consider those issues sementical, those directly involved in the issues do not.
Originally posted by Robtard
IIRC, they're not asking for any special tax breaks, custody issues, insurance coverage etc. beyond what is already covered in a hetero marriage.
I want to get rid of "Marriage" as a legal contract and have a "new way" which would allow for you to pretty much itemize your agreement and then also extend that to friends, godparents, etc. No reason the married straight people should be able to hog all of those rights.
Then I slyly indicated that that shit already exists and this marriage argument is pretty shit. Just get rid of it and use the other systems already in place.