DBZ Base Goku vs. Cooler

Started by Based2 pages
Based iPinoy

Originally posted by Galan007
I hinted at the answer to this question in my above posts hoping to avoid typing a breathy mega-post, but what the hell...

Frieza's PL @ 100%=120,000,000
Frieza's PL @ 50%=60,000,000

Therefore, the PL of Goku's 20x kaioken would have been right around the 60,000,000 mark as well(arguably a little greater, given that he nearly killed Frieza with a kamehameha.) Subsequently, this puts Goku's base PL w/o the kaioken powerup at 3,000,000(60,000,000/20=3,000,000.)

Using the above 'formula', you'll find that Goku would have needed to have a base PL of just over 6,000,000 to defeat a fully powered Frieza with the same amp(6,000,000*20=120,000,000.)
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Uhh no, the official guide book has Goku's Super Saiyan PL at 150 million. Freeza's was 120 million. 150 million divided by 50 is 3 million. The Freeza saga's numbers are finalized by the guidebooks which are approved and I believed worked on by Akira himself.

"This Daizenshuu, the 7th and final one, is a huge Dragon Ball encyclopedia. I think the staff who make these books always have a rough time of it, but this one looked even more hellish than usual. They really did a great job."

dadudemon Senior Member

Originally posted by Based
Uhh no, the official guide book has Goku's Super Saiyan PL at 150 million. Freeza's was 120 million. 150 million divided by 50 is 3 million. The Freeza saga's numbers are finalized by the guidebooks which are approved and I believed worked on by Akira himself.

"This Daizenshuu, the 7th and final one, is a huge Dragon Ball encyclopedia. I think the staff who make these books always have a rough time of it, but this one looked even more hellish than usual. They really did a great job."

You missed the "50%" number in his post. At the time Goku damaged Frieza, he was at 50% power making Frieza's PL 60,000,000.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Based
Okay, it's still an amplifier and it's not his base form. He was powered 20 times his actual base.
No, kaioken is a technique. A technique of which Goku frequently used while in his base form(including his battle with Cooler in Movie #5.) If you're trying to neuter one of his abilities, then you need to neuter ALL of his abilities-- you cannot fallaciously pick and choose which powers Goku can use and which he cannot. That is a ludicrous methodology.

Aside from that: this is a VERSUS BATTLE. Unless specified in the OP, characters can use ALL abilities at their disposal-- not just some of them. Simple.

Originally posted by Based
What the fvck is this? The OP said base Goku. Therefore that means no amplifiers. In a real situation ofc Goku would use kaioken but the OP said base. C'mon.
Lol? The OP specifying "base Goku" doesn't mean "no powering up in his base level". It means: "no SSJ". Simple.

Originally posted by Based
And what damage do you see? A burnt hand? The page right before this has Goku exclaiming about the little damage he sent to Freeza.
Frieza himself stated that Goku's blast nearly killed him. I'll take Frieza's word over yours. 👆

Originally posted by Based
But their power up isn't coming from their base, it's because of their transcended SUper Saiyans. The base Saiyans have no feats nor ANY evidence of their power level.
Lol? Per the Daizenshuu, the power of a SSJ is directly proportional to the power of a base Saiyan. Why? Because a Saiyan's base PL is increased by 50x when they transform into a SSJ(ie. base PL*50=SSJ PL.) Therefore, for a SSJ's PL to increase, the PL of their base form would HAVE to increase as well. It works both ways. Simple.

Originally posted by Based
Uhh no, the official guide book has Goku's Super Saiyan PL at 150 million. Freeza's was 120 million. 150 million divided by 50 is 3 million. The Freeza saga's numbers are finalized by the guidebooks which are approved and I believed worked on by Akira himself.

"This Daizenshuu, the 7th and final one, is a huge Dragon Ball encyclopedia. I think the staff who make these books always have a rough time of it, but this one looked even more hellish than usual. They really did a great job."

You apparently didn't comprehend my post. Read it again. You'll probably feel silly.

bbrem123 Senior Member

Originally posted by Based

Regardless based on the new movie there's a line implying the base Saiyans are weaker than Freeza. Regardless of how you want to take form it, during this time base Goku gets massively raped. I mean it's right in the movie...
You wanna use the new movie as proof Goku's base form is weaker then Frieza? You do know they can lower there power level right? Anyways based on the last fight in new movie base form Goku is as strong a Bills. So yea he stomps Cooler.

vansonbee Isee

You don't know that fully. ^ God Goku going back to base might of have some sort of left over amp.

bbrem123 Senior Member

as of now we dont know...but he was able to revert to god mode with out any aid during bills final attack. Seem like a permenant upgrade to me. Also if Goku does not have this upgrade he will be a ***** to all his new enemy like ssj3 was to bills.

either way saying his current base form is weaker then frieza is stupid. His base form vs frieza is a joke compared to his current base form.