Ultimate Warrior

Originally posted by juggerman
Whoa you guys are clearly forgetting that Darth Maul had absolutely no trouble whatsoever beating Obi Wan.... years earlier.....when he was still a padawan......

Uh what was I talking about? Oh yeah based on this evidence Maul is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anakin cuz Obi Wan could not have improved at all over those years..... and such....

It's not about who Obiwan beat or whether he got good or not, just that Darth Maul effectively fought two jedi's (ok jedi and a padawan) and actually got the advantage over them till Obi wan's lucky shot. Anakin IIRC never took on two jedi's (or a Jedi and a padawan) at the same time. He did defeat Dooku (who was manhandling him and Obiwan) but beating an opponent who can fight two jedi's is not quite the same as fighting two jedi's yourself.

In any case, Anakin might be a better fighter than Maul, but the reason I vote Maul here is because pre-suit Anakin is too reckless and is a complete emotional wreck. He'd probably charge straight on against the other opponents here without knowing a thing about him. If they are stranded on an island then strategy will be just as important in the fight as skill, and Anakin will be blindly just fighting everyone.

Granted, Maul isn't exactly shown as a strategist but at least he's not delusional of his own invincibility. Khan actually has an advantage in the sense that he's supposed to be a great military strategist.

Anakin didn't start breaking down emotionally until he got Windu killed. Then and on Mustafar against Obi-Wan were the only times he actually appeared unstable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was arguing but was going to kill him. He felt he betrayed him and Wasnt going to spare him.

Vader didn't stalemate he lost. Lol at being burned and almost killed as stalemating. The fight Wasnt over and he was so,stupid that he didn't even listen to his former friend try to talk him out of doing it. What a colossal failure.

He was conflicted about killing him. He did. Maul mauls him.

Hence the confliction

The entire fight was a stalemate until the end. I never said it ended in a stalemate. Nice try tho

He beat him without killing him. He was only conflicted after Dooku was already soundly beaten

Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul beat Obi and qui gon. That's two Jedi whereas Anakin lost to Dooku, Obi, and Luke.

He was mad so those fights don't count welllllll unless he wins then they totally count.

Maul beat a Master and a Padawan while Dooku dueled two masters and made it look easy until Anakin got mad. He also held his own against a master far greater than Gin and Obi. Dooku would have shat on Maul and Ani shat on Dooku.

I never said they didn't. He lost when he was less experienced and won when he became better. Simple

Originally posted by KingD19
Anakin didn't start breaking down emotionally until he got Windu killed. Then and on Mustafar against Obi-Wan were the only times he actually appeared unstable.

Originally posted by Robtard
Did I say anything of the sort? Nope.

You always use strawman arguments whenever you can't counter the ones people actually make, why you're a fail-clown.

PS, those weren't war ships, they were small planetary patrol ships. You never pay attention, despite claiming to have seen Into Darkness twice.

So you admit the blast will kill her but still rant about me downplaying her. Khan kills her and easily.

Originally posted by juggerman
Hence the confliction

The entire fight was a stalemate until the end. I never said it ended in a stalemate. Nice try tho

He beat him without killing him. He was only conflicted after Dooku was already soundly beaten

Maul beat a Master and a Padawan while Dooku dueled two masters and made it look easy until Anakin got mad. He also held his own against a master far greater than Gin and Obi. Dooku would have shat on Maul and Ani shat on Dooku.

I never said they didn't. He lost when he was less experienced and won when he became better. Simple

Obi won. Bottom line. Obi left as Anakin was screaming, I hate you like an angry child.

He was conflicted about using his hatred and easily gave into Dookus goading. Anakin is so mentally weak it's unreal.

Anakin beat Dooku. Who cares ? Dooku already beat him twice. Anakin used his rage and took out the guy. No, maul would beat Dooku. He was a warrior and a superior fighter.

He lost to Obi at the height of his power. 😆

Make excuses its your go to.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he was trying to kill him and failed because he's an emo crybaby.

Obi won. Bottom line. Obi left as Anakin was screaming, I hate you like an angry child.

He was conflicted about using his hatred and easily gave into Dookus goading. Anakin is so mentally weak it's unreal.

Anakin beat Dooku. Who cares ? Dooku already beat him twice. Anakin used his rage and took out the guy. No, maul would beat Dooku. He was a warrior and a superior fighter.

He lost to Obi at the height of his power. 😆

Make excuses its your go to.

Anakin was conflicted

He did. But it was deadlocked until Anakin jumped. Actually i believe the script states Anakin was wearing Obi down but i'm not 100%

He didn't use his hatred on Dooku.

You care apparently. Dooku beat him once. Maul would get destroyed by Dooku

Due to terrain.

Project much?

Originally posted by juggerman
Anakin was conflicted

He did. But it was deadlocked until Anakin jumped. Actually i believe the script states Anakin was wearing Obi down but i'm not 100%

He didn't use his hatred on Dooku.

You care apparently. Dooku beat him once. Maul would get destroyed by Dooku

Due to terrain.

Project much?

Obi won. Anakin jumped despite his opponent pleading with him not to. That's how brilliant Anakin is in battle.

Yes, he did. That's why he won. He channeled his anger.

Dooku kod him. 1 win. Gets back up and Obi tosses him a saber and loses an arm. 2 wins.

The terrain changed and Obi took the higher ground. Anakin lost and cried.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it. He tried to kill Obi. Obi was conflicted but still owned the shit out of Anakin.

Obi won. Anakin jumped despite his opponent pleading with him not to. That's how brilliant Anakin is in battle.

Yes, he did. That's why he won. He channeled his anger.

Dooku kod him. 1 win. Gets back up and Obi tosses him a saber and loses an arm. 2 wins.

The terrain changed and Obi took the higher ground. Anakin lost and cried.

😂

Obi was far less conflicted. As i recall Obi didn't just assist with wiping the Jedi out and almost killing his wife and kids. But maybe there's a director's cut where he did. Look into that for me 😂

Never said Ani was the wised guy. Still far more skilled and deadly then you give him credit for

Nope.

One fight= one win.

Terrain is what netted Obi the "dub"

Originally posted by juggerman
Obi was far less conflicted. As i recall Obi didn't just assist with wiping the Jedi out and almost killing his wife and kids. But maybe there's a director's cut where he did. Look into that for me 😂

Never said Ani was the wised guy. Still far more skilled and deadly then you give him credit for

Nope.

One fight= one win.

Terrain is what netted Obi the "dub"

Nope. He lost over and over again. He was routinely saved. He was always a crybaby.

Yes.

They fought twice. Kod is a win. Got back up and still lost. Two losses.

Obi used the terrain showing awareness against the emo I hate you guy. Khan mercs this emotional wreck.

Originally posted by quanchi112
See. His opponent was far more conflicted but here you go crying again. Obi loved him whereas Anakin hated him. They tell each other. Obi still bested him despite being conflicted.

Nope. He lost over and over again. He was routinely saved. He was always a crybaby.

Yes.

They fought twice. Kod is a win. Got back up and still lost. Two losses.

Obi used the terrain showing awareness against the emo I hate you guy. Khan mercs this emotional wreck.

Obi was nowhere near as conflicted

Yup. Far more

Nope

One fight. A person can be knocked out, get up and continue as Anakin did

Khan could not do what Obi did

Originally posted by juggerman
Obi was nowhere near as conflicted

Yup. Far more

Nope

One fight. A person can be knocked out, get up and continue as Anakin did

Khan could not do what Obi did

Nope.

Yes.

A ko is a loss and then a new fight begins. Dooku sonned him tide,

Khan slaughters Jango. Not even close. 😂

Obi was easily abducted by droids as well. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't a counter. Someone saying I loved you is more conflicted than someone screaming I hate you. What planet are you from ?

Nope.

Yes.

A ko is a loss and then a new fight begins. Dooku sonned him tide,

Khan slaughters Jango. Not even close. 😂

Obi was easily abducted by droids as well. 😂

Obi didn't just discard everything he's ever known. Do you really need it spelled out for you?

Yep

Nah

Not at all. One encounter. Spanned from when they caught up to him until Dooku fled

Nothing to do with this at all

You mean when they allowed themselves to be taken?

Originally posted by juggerman
Obi didn't just discard everything he's ever known. Do you really need it spelled out for you?

Yep

Nah

Not at all. One encounter. Spanned from when they caught up to him until Dooku fled

Nothing to do with this at all

You mean when they allowed themselves to be taken?

Nope.

Yep.

Two fights. Ko is a loss. Was defeated twice.

Concession accepted.

Obi didn't allow himself he was taken in the middle of a distress signal.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Exactly. Vader embraced the dark side whereas Obi still cared for Anakin. Lol.

Nope.

Yep.

Two fights. Ko is a loss. Was defeated twice.

Concession accepted.

Obi didn't allow himself he was taken in the middle of a distress signal.

He still cared very much. "Don't make me kill you!" a plea to his friend whom he still clearly loved. Watch the film sometime.

Yup.

Nope.

KO'd, got back up, fight resumed.

Surprising that you of all people would see one when one was not present.

Oh then. Weren't there more than just droids?

Originally posted by juggerman
He still cared very much. "Don't make me kill you!" a plea to his friend whom he still clearly loved. Watch the film sometime.

Yup.

Nope.

KO'd, got back up, fight resumed.

Surprising that you of all people would see one when one was not present.

Oh then. Weren't there more than just droids?

Kod is a loss. In versus matchups are kos wins ?

You conceded.

We just know he was taken and overwhelmed. Khan destroyed Klingons on their home worlds and is twice the strategist as either Obi or Anakin whose great plans involved hey let's jump over here and kill some droids.

Anakin and Obi were also taken by stasis fields and captured yet again. Happens a lot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have seen it. Did you miss the part where Obi said don't try it pleading with him to not be a moron and jump. Stupid Anakin.
Nope.
Yep.

Kod is a loss. In versus matchups are kos wins ?

You conceded.

We just know he was taken and overwhelmed. Khan destroyed Klingons on their home worlds and is twice the strategist as either Obi or Anakin whose great plans involved hey let's jump over here and kill some droids.

Anakin and Obi were also taken by stasis fields and captured yet again. Happens a lot.

So you concede Anakin was conflicted? Good.

Yup

Nah

Here they are. Movies play by different rules

Negative. I pointed out you were talking about irrevelent things.

It happened off screen so anything could have went down. We aren't talking about Khan right now.

They allowed themselves to be taken. As you see a few minutes later they are more than capable of getting free whenever they choose.

Going with Anakin in this thread. The force is a powerful ally, and a lightsaber is a b*tch to deal with.

Originally posted by juggerman
So you concede Anakin was conflicted? Good.

Yup

Nah

Here they are. Movies play by different rules

Negative. I pointed out you were talking about irrevelent things.

It happened off screen so anything could have went down. We aren't talking about Khan right now.

They allowed themselves to be taken. As you see a few minutes later they are more than capable of getting free whenever they choose.

Nope.
Yep.

Prove it.

Wrong.

We see him imprisoned with Anakin in a stasis field. All on screen.

No, they didn't. Needed help to break free and wanted R2 to save them. All on film. 😂

Originally posted by Newjak
Going with Anakin in this thread. The force is a powerful ally, and a lightsaber is a b*tch to deal with.